The Bloody Mary - The Aftermarth!

Originally posted by bovlike Does anyone have a list of past winners? I think there is a list in the club house! Sure it would make good reading with a lot of legends in there. would be good to see what class has won the most.  I would bet on the 14....

Its probably been around longest! Depends when BM first started..

I was not saying other fleets were not putting out the best sailors just stating the 14 had some very good sailors there. BM is one of those events were there is certain types of boat that do well given the right conditions. I14, 12, 49er, A rater, fireball, solo even enterboxs have done well In the past in the light. Other types never do well like the laser, as you say 505, I don think a musto or 700 have ever done to well. Mustos have a good PY but the BM course does not suit and getting past slow boats is an issue as it is a light boat and rig is not to high.

But end of the day most people do the BM for a bit of fun. If all we wanted to do was win we would turn up with a load of dif boats and pick the best one for the day….

the 14s had a hot fleet. 1st and 2nd at pow!

moths  sail  off 690  at hayling because  haayling have adapted the  py system for the  clubs conditions!

Originally posted by MRJP BUZZ 585 They sail off 690 at HISC so why such a difference

Because I don't believe anyone knows what the number should be - hence the problem! On the Moth forum and the Moth website you'll see suggestions for anything from 695 to 900... The latter comes from a chap who suggests that as most learner foiler sailors spend half the race upside down the handicap should allow for that. I don't believe that's *quite* the intention of the scheme...

The answer, and the same goes for every class without a number they like, is for the sailors to do as much handicap racing at their clubs as possible and make sure that the club sends a PY return in.

It might help if Class associations of boats that have changed radically were to publish their best guess of what the number should be should they have any meaningful data (which admittedly most don't). The Canoe class, for instance took some timings at the recent worlds, and I think we'll be suggesting that the new 50kg box rule Canoes have a PY of 881 against 905 for the one design hull 83kg Canoe.