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    Posted: 29 May 07 at 4:10pm

Here is a replay of the recent Msuto Skiff open at Stokes Bay.

3 races tracked of 2 boats (mine & Sten).

Quite intersting to see just how shifty it was

http://www.mustoskiff.com/replays/2007/stokes-bay/gpsar.html

 

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I use the foretrex 201 with the inbuilt battery, I takes about 20min to get the mean wind direction setting right. I set the the waypoint 60 miles away. I have to change this about 3 times in a 4 hour sail as the wind moves around.  The function Turn is very good in evaluating my angle from direct downwind,sailind dead downwind should read turn 0. Very pleased with it. it got smacked by the boom and survived. If you want to put it on the mast any gps with a large screen will do.  I use a garmin GPSmap 76CSx waterproof and floats, in a waterproof bag just in case.Very large display taped to mast.

 I find that the vmg drops when heading up before rising as my speed increases, also when slowly going lower the vmg rises before it drops when the speed drops. very hard to evaluate if the wind is not constant.

I find that pointing high and footing off in the rs600 gives the same vmg. but in large gusts it pays to foot. ?

After a month or two i think it will not be an advantage to have vmg but i still need a good stopwatch and compass, Have I got to pay £45 for a yellow stopwatch and drill holes in my mast for a compass when iv got the lot in my foretrex ? At the moment I only use record and stopwatch for racing as my yellow stopwatch came out of the case last week , in carsington somewhere.

Are we going to police these gps devices as it could be classed as cheating. I know the musto have allowed this for some events but are other classes going to let it go ?

After thinking about it the foretrak will always be banned as you could view  the track down the startline for midline sag . so  training only i think.



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Regarding the Velocitek.  How easy is it to eye up the true wind direction when setting the upwind reference point ?  Stikes me that one could be quite a lot out.  Is it better to sail more than the suggested 75 m to minimise the error ?

If the race course is a bit "off", ie. not true upwind downwind, is it better to use the windward mark as the upwind ref point ?  

 

 

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Velocitek sponsor the UK Cherub Nationals for 2007

S10 as prize(s) + lots of beer!

see http://www.uk-cherub.org

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Post Options Post Options   Quote I luv Wight Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Feb 07 at 6:30pm
Yes you enter an upwind and down wind point at least 75 yds apart ( ie you press the buttons, sail up wind for 75 yds, then press the buttons again )
This gives a heading that the vmg references to.
A 10% wind shift makes little difference ( sin 10° is not far off sin 0° )
Or you can enter the actual mark locations to give a vmg to the mark (heading). Set up the downwind position at the start, and the upwind position at the top mark.
Rohan Veal does this in foily moths - the first leg is more about in-fleet tactics than speed, so it's less important on the first beat.
The magnitude of the vmg may be lower than the real vmg to the wind, but by maximising the displayed vmg - that's the fastest way to the mark.

It doesn't tell you when to tack or gybe for the mark, so you will still need some skill!

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Post Options Post Options   Quote k_kirk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Feb 07 at 3:33pm
Originally posted by Guest#260

Originally posted by bustinben

How does it do VMG if it doesn't know the wind direction?

 

I believe you enter a waypoint a long way upwind and downwind and it measures your speed towards that point ...

You have two external buttons. One for each end of the windward / leeward course. When you reach each mark you just touch the button. Or you can even do the setting on land. All it does is to store the compass heading between the two points you touch the buttons and then compute VMG using trigonometry. This is explained quite nicely in the user manual pdf which is on their web site. Hope this helps.

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Originally posted by bustinben

I've got a GPS in my phone that I use to record NMEA logs when I'm racing.

Then I've got a converter that plots the track into google earth - you can really see how well you were playing the shifts upwind!

Very interesting. Can you share which phone and software combo you use? I have a HP6965 PocketPC phone with integral GPS and have been wondering how I can make use of it on water. Are you using a PocketPC phone by any chance?

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Fin. Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Feb 07 at 1:54pm

 

I had a look at their website -  can I ask how much they are.

(I couldn't find price-information),.

Certainly sound very interesting - was personally about to start looking into buying an etrex.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Guest Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Feb 07 at 1:02pm
Originally posted by bustinben

Originally posted by I luv Wight

I've ordered one/some - and now a UK dealer!

My first arrives this week.

The S10 shows speed, and also VMG upwind or downwind, with big numbers in waterproof case.
2 digits only, with blinking to show the tenths above 10 knots.

Some classes would not allow this to be used for racing, but quite a few don't ban electronic devices, so would be OK.

 

How does it do VMG if it doesn't know the wind direction?

 

I believe you enter a waypoint a long way upwind and downwind and it measures your speed towards that point ...

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Post Options Post Options   Quote bustinben Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Feb 07 at 12:11pm

I've got a GPS in my phone that I use to record NMEA logs when I'm racing.

Then I've got a converter that plots the track into google earth - you can really see how well you were playing the shifts upwind!

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