Rudder stock investigation

   Low weight 4

Low price 3

Durability 4

Easy maintainence3
Direct feeling? (= no play between tiller and stock nor between stock and blade) 5

Uphaul function? (lifting or tilting the blade back) 3

Downhaul function? (loweing the blade) 4

Lock-down function? (keeping the blade secured in down-position, e.g. with cam-follower mechanism) 5

Auto-release function? (when hitting ground)2
Attractive looks?1

I consider myself as representing
Dingy racing
Dinghy recreational sailing

Any further comments?

Those Carbon winder stocks are the best i have seen, such as the ones used on Phantom rudderblades.

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Hobbo Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Far too distracted from work Joined: 02 Jun 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 211	Post Options Post Reply Quote Hobbo Report Post Quote Reply Topic: Rudder stock investigation Posted: 11 Jan 07 at 9:55am
	Low weight 4 Low price 3 Durability 4 Easy maintainence3 Direct feeling? (= no play between tiller and stock nor between stock and blade) 5 Uphaul function? (lifting or tilting the blade back) 3 Downhaul function? (loweing the blade) 4 Lock-down function? (keeping the blade secured in down-position, e.g. with cam-follower mechanism) 5 Auto-release function? (when hitting ground)2 Attractive looks?1 I consider myself as representing Dingy racing Dinghy recreational sailing Any further comments? Those Carbon winder stocks are the best i have seen, such as the ones used on Phantom rudderblades.
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tornado435 Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Posting king Joined: 05 May 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 196	Post Options Post Reply Quote tornado435 Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 11 Jan 07 at 9:20am
	Just because you asked so nice.... Low weight? 5 Low price? 3 Durability? 3 Easy maintainence? 4 Direct feeling? (= no play between tiller and stock nor between stock and blade) 555555 Uphaul function? (lifting or tilting the blade back) 4 Downhaul function? (loweing the blade)2 Lock-down function? (keeping the blade secured in down-position, e.g. with cam-follower mechanism) 5 Auto-release function? (when hitting ground) 5 Attractive looks? 2 I consider myself as representing Catamaran racing? Any further comments? Majority of Cat Stocks use some form of "Cam" in the stock to lock down the blade. This also allows for a kick up when hitting something. This is where a lot go wrong in that they are difficult to adjust which means they can pop up at speed. hurricane 5.9 stocks are good and simple. Dart are simple but fiddly and my Tornado ones should be simple but I can't getthem right. For me personally I need a direct feel between extension, connecting bar and stocks, but some F18's use the flexible universal joints between con bar and stock which I would hate.

RickAndersen Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Newbie Joined: 10 Jan 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3	Post Options Post Reply Quote RickAndersen Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 11 Jan 07 at 9:04am
	A big THANKS!! to all of you who have replied so far, especially those of you who have made comments. Thanks to that I have made a few small changes, see below. I am looking forward to more replies. No catamaran sailors have replied so far. Wrong forum? Hi! I am doing some market research on dinghy and catamaran rudderstocks as part of a university paper. Any feedback on this would be a great help for me. It will only take a few minutes to answer the questions below. Your participation may even result in some better rudder products in the future. Thanks a lot! What do you want out of a rudder stock? Mark with 1-5 where "5" is "very important" and "1" is "not at all important". Also state what diciplin you are in Dingy racing - Dinghy recreational - Catamaran racing - Catamaran recreational. Ok, here we go: Low weight? Low price? Durability? Easy maintainence? Direct feeling? (= no play between tiller and stock nor between stock and blade) Uphaul function? (lifting or tilting the blade back) Downhaul function? (loweing the blade) Lock-down function? (keeping the blade secured in down-position, e.g. with cam-follower mechanism) Auto-release function? (when hitting ground) Attractive looks? I consider myself as representing Dingy racing? Dinghy recreational sailing? Catamaran racing? Catamaran recreational? Any further comments? Thanks a lot for your time!! Rick Andersen rudderstock@hotmail.com Halmstad University College
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JimC Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662	Post Options Post Reply Quote JimC Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 10 Jan 07 at 7:34pm
	Low weight? 5 Low price? 3 Easy maintainence? 3 Direct feeling? 5 Uphaul function? 1 Downhaul function? 1 Lock-down function? 1 Auto-release function? (when hitting ground) 1 Attractive looks? 1 Dinghy racing? Any further comments? I normally make my own daggerboard stocks. I'm presuming your "uphaul and downhaul" functions refer to strings or whatever, not on pulling the blade in and out in the daggerboard method. If you add "how easily blade goes in and comes out of stock" then that gets a 5

Merlinboy Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 03 Jul 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3169	Post Options Post Reply Quote Merlinboy Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 10 Jan 07 at 7:10pm
	weight 5 Price 3 Maintance 2 Diect feeling 5 Uphaul 2 Downhaul 2 Lockdown 5 Autorealese 3 Looks 2 I consider myself as representing: Dingy racing Rudder stock should be simple, light and responsive

radixon Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 27 Oct 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2407	Post Options Post Reply Quote radixon Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 10 Jan 07 at 7:00pm
	Low weight? 5 Low price? 5 Easy maintainence? 3 Direct feeling? (= no play between tiller and stock nor between stock and blade) 3 Uphaul function? 4 Downhaul function? 4 Lock-down function? 5 Auto-release function? (when hitting ground) 4 Attractive looks? 3 I consider myself as representing Dingy racing? 3 Dinghy recreational sailing? Catamaran racing? Catamaran recreational? Any further comments? I would want to be able to tie it onto my boat somewhere, leaving it on until I am ready to remove it.

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	Low weight? 5 Low price? 5 Easy maintainence? 5 Direct feeling? 5(= no play between tiller and stock nor between stock and blade) Uphaul function? 3 Downhaul function? 3 Lock-down function? 5 Auto-release function? (when hitting ground) 5 Attractive looks?1 I consider myself as representing Dingy racing Dinghy recreational sailing
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	Low weight5 Low price5 Easy maintainence2 Direct feeling4 (= no play between tiller and stock nor between stock and blade) Uphaul function1 Downhaul function3 Lock-down function3 Auto-release function1 (when hitting ground) Attractive looks2 I consider myself as representing Dingy racing Dinghy recreational sailing

Medway Maniac Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 13 May 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2788	Post Options Post Reply Quote Medway Maniac Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 10 Jan 07 at 4:49pm
	I wonder if we all understand the same thing by 'lock-down function'? I take it to mean e.g. one of those cam-follower things that never seem to work, for me at least. A good downhaul with 2:1 normally seems to do the job, especially if the blade wedges itself tight in the last few degrees of going down as on the Winder - blade down and tight feel all in one action. On my current Sea Sure, I end up pulling on the 2:1 and then tightening the wing nut as well to get direct feel, but I do find that nut a pain, esp. as I have to undo it again as I come in.

MRJP BUZZ 585 Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 05 Mar 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1496	Post Options Post Reply Quote MRJP BUZZ 585 Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 10 Jan 07 at 4:40pm
	Low weight? 5 Low price? 4 Easy maintainence? 5 Direct feeling? (= no play between tiller and stock nor between stock and blade) 5 Uphaul function? 3 Downhaul function? 3 Lock-down function? 4 Auto-release function? (when hitting ground) 4 Attractive looks? 4 I consider myself as representing Dingy racing? FURTHER COMMENTS - I feel the same as mike, needs to be easy to get off with gloved/cold hands
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