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mike ellis ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Dec 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2339 |
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is that useful riki? Edited by mike ellis |
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600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it.
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radial179102 ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Mar 05 Location: Wales Online Status: Offline Posts: 198 |
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Yes but the method of cleating the Feva's Halyard is awful!! I'm sorry
but whenever Feva's sail at our club, they have to roll them over on
the beach just to check that the halyard is in the cleat and their main
wont fall down half way around the course!!!
As for the Jib, it needs that tension when it gets windy, and where I sail, it inevitably does!! When the kids sailing the Feva feather it to help upwind in the gusts, they head up a little, and the front of the jib backwinds, causing the whole rig to flap around madly!!! Which is very disconcerting for the kids. A lot of the kids that sail Feva's can't believe how much better the RS visions and 200's are and always ask, "why can't we have that on our Feva?!" Admittely I like the kite system, and the XLmainsail is nice when you have the race kit on the rest of the boat! ![]() Edited by radial179102 |
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Riki @ RS ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 01 Jun 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 71 |
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The Feva doesn't hold rig tension, its essentially an unstayed rig and the shrouds stop the rig from pulling forwards when the kite is up. The jib haliard just needs to be tight enough to stop the luff from sagging. Thats why its just a one to one purchase and the rope is pre stretch - it stops the rig from being over tensioned. The mast doesn't have spreaders (for versitility - big sail, little sail, single/double handed, etc, storage of mast in the boat) so pulling rig tension will just make the mast floppy in the middle section. This is also the reason the main haliard cleat is at the top of the mast - otherwise there is a 'bow and arrow' type effect when the haliard is taut and cleated at the bottom and the mast is floppy in the middle. We've recently sourced a side load camcleat for the top of the mast which is even easier than the old front load cleat. Theres actually not many examples of unstayed, unspreadered masts that have a haliard at the bottom (I can only think of old Solos) the Europe, RS300, Vareo, Finn, most Catamarans etc. all have their haliard fixed at the top of the mast. Polyethylene hulls are proportionately softer than fibreglass hulls that can have local reinforcement, so any PE boat that holds rig tension requires the mast to be locked low down with a foot strut and lowers (a la Vago, Magno, Omega) or via a hanging mast foot and a high foredeck (a la Vision). This triangulates the rig loads. The Feva doesn't have these, so the extreme loads on the rig are soaked up by its softness, and the shrouds stop the mast from over bending when the spinnaker is up. Its all rather clever when you look at the nitty gritty and what it has to do. The mainsheet is one to one as standard, but many sailors, especially youth sailors, add an additional block on the mainsheet horse to create a 2:1. The standard mainsheet rope length is long enough to do this. Both the mainsheet and kicker are upgraded as part of an inexpensive 'race pack', which makes life easier for those who are going to be using them, whilst not bumping the price of the boat up for those who don't know/care about adjusting! I guess your experience with fevas is on the Bough Beech club boats - these were supplied in basic spec - perhaps you should propose to the relevant committee that they are upgraded. The Sevenoaks School boats at BBSC have a modified mainsheet system for team racing - they obviously need a one to one. The Feva rudder is huge for the size of boat, but gives a really reassuring solid feel, but is quite punishing if the boat is not flat or the blade is not fully rotated down. The depth of the blade means that slight changes in feel are very nticeable on the tiller, but means that the blade maintains grip to quite high levels of heel without stalling. Again, this is a versitility concern - enough control for the racers, enough reassurance for the novices. Sailed flat and fast and with the blade properly locked down, you should find the blade finger tip light. Check the boats you're sailing are rigged correctly, theres two rotating holes in the head of the blade depending on the make of rudder stock (there have been a couple of different models), and if you use the wrong one it will over/under rotate. The manual will help. Hope this helps explain. You won't believe how much thought and attention went into designing parts of the boat might have been considered 'cutting corners', though inevitably there are slight compromises to suit the boat to a large number of people. Nevertheless it is this large number of users which creates the Fevas international popularity, good racing curcuit, squad training, etc. too. I wasn't having a dig last night (albeit tongue in cheek |
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BBSCFaithfull ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Dec 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1251 |
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Well,
I dont really want to waste my time talking about a feva if i did go so lets talk about it here! The jib halyard is the worst piece of kit in the world you can never get enough tension on the damn thing. The mainsheet purchase is crap the youth's find it hard to play the main properly and the kicker hasn't enough purchase on it. I also dont like the main cleat at the top of the mast and the rudder loads are quite high. That's about all i can think of for the mo Alex Edited by BBSCFaithfull |
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radial179102 ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Mar 05 Location: Wales Online Status: Offline Posts: 198 |
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I agree!! But I would choose a Laser over a Feva any day.
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Rob.e ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 19 Oct 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 545 |
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How about if I stir it up a bit and say that the Laser is the most horrible boat ever made IMHO? Hard work for little reward, and horribly uncomfy, I gave up sailing for two years after I had one! (Mind you, I was too light and it was before the small rigs, new controls etc, and the build quality of some of the bits was pretty suspect back in the 70's!) Stands back and waits for reaction..... |
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FireballNeil ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 03 Oct 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 654 |
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THE FEVA IS RUBBISH! No only joking I expect tha they are loike the rest of teh RS boats which look pretty well made to me! Just thought i would cause a bit more of a stir-up! heheh
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Contender443 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Oct 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1211 |
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So if I complain about the Feva as well, will I get a free ticket to the boat show?? Shame I have never had any experience of one. |
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mike ellis ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Dec 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2339 |
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now now children, calm down.
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600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it.
Also International 14, 1318 |
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radial179102 ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Mar 05 Location: Wales Online Status: Offline Posts: 198 |
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oooh this topic just got interesting!!!
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