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    Posted: 05 Sep 06 at 10:02pm

It's pretty much the same as mountain climbing, sailing alone...... common sense wise anyway. We make sure we inform someone of the times we expect to be back in so if we're not back in within a few hours of that time someone will be worried about that fact onshore. We generally look at the weather forecasts over the week anyway so that we know what's basically going on and if there is any doubt in our minds about the weather, it's a no-go. We generally don't go out if no other boats are on the water just in case something major happens to the boat. Kit on the boat we take is water, knife strapped to the transom and spare tape, clevis pins and shackles. Plymouth is quite well protected, breakwaters and land in 3/4 of the directions we point the boat. Sailing on the Forth we used to borrow VHF radios from work and any long distance stuff anywhere else, we took mobiles, in the dry-suit wrapped in cling film.

(Sorry Mike, didn't mean to repeat what you wrote )



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Originally posted by 49erGBR735HSC

It's pretty much the same as mountain climbing, sailing alone...... common sense wise anyway. We make sure we inform someone of the times we expect to be back in so if we're not back in within a few hours of that time someone will be worried about that fact onshore. We generally look at the weather forecasts over the week anyway so that we know what's basically going on and if there is any doubt in our minds about the weather, it's a no-go. We generally don't go out if no other boats are on the water just in case something major happens to the boat. Kit on the boat we take is water, knife strapped to the transom and spare tape, clevis pins and shackles. Plymouth is quite well protected, breakwaters and land in 3/4 of the directions we point the boat. Sailing on the Forth we used to borrow VHF radios from work and any long distance stuff anywhere else, we took mobiles, in the dry-suit wrapped in cling film.

(Sorry Mike, didn't mean to repeat what you wrote )

..............we also check the tides when we go out sailing so that if the wind goes we can use the tide to get back home...

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Um... no one's mentioned telling someone ashore where you're going and when you'll be back (and what to do if you don't report in!). I have sailed unaccompanied but do most of my sailing now on a reservoir where safety cover is a condition of use.
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To Gary:

Originally posted by 49erGBR735HSC

We make sure we inform someone of the times we expect to be back in so if we're not back in within a few hours of that time someone will be worried about that fact onshore.

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I frequently sail without safety cover at my club but just tend not to go too far out if it's really windy.  I don't carry a mobile or a knife.  On the odd occassion I have been tempted by the water after school and have been out a few times in just my boxers and no life jacket, yep i know it's naughty but it's just soooo tempting!!!
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There's a touch of irony about the fact that it tends to be the pond clubs which (due to their lease conditions) don't allow sailing without safety cover, whilst on the sea you're free to do as you like since nobody owns it.  On a pond you'll drift to one side soon enough, on the sea - well the other side could be a long way away.

When I was a teenager my school allowed those of us who were keen sailors to go home on Wednesday afternoons and take ourselves out sailing instead of playing rugby/cricket etc!

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I have no choice - if I waited for safety cover I would never get to sail (and that includes racing)...

The missus always knows what I'm up to though (even when I'm not sailing).

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Originally posted by m_liddell

On the south coast a lot of people seem to routinely sail with no safety cover and don't worry about it too much.

True. However the prevailing wind will, if the worst comes to the worst, waft you back to shore. I'd be much more careful in an offshore breeze. I once broke a UJ windsurfing around a mile offshore. An hour or so late I was back onshore, a little chilly but otherwise no worse for the experience. If the wind had been offshore, it would have been much more serious.

So it's all about judgement. The forecast wind and direction, the tides, the air and water temparature. I have had a young and skinny crew turn borderline hypothermic frighteningly quickly on one occassion (capsized without rescue boat cover) and I plan to never repeat that particular experience.

I'd take: some extra clothing. A few tools. Some money and maybe a mobile. Mini-flares are a good idea but I admit I've never taken them.

If I recall, in another thread, you've recently said that breakages "aren't your fault". Breakages are usually down to poor maintenance or poor crewwork. Better get both right if you plan to sail without safety cover. I hope I've learned from my own mistakes on that one.

 

  

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Originally posted by Prince Buster

I frequently sail without safety cover at my club but
just tend not to
go too far out if it's really windy.  I don't carry a mobile or a
knife.  On the odd occassion I have been tempted by the water
after school and have been out a few times in just my boxers and no
life jacket, yep i know it's naughty but it's just soooo tempting!!!


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Post Options Post Options   Quote vscott Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Sep 06 at 4:12pm

At Kielder we are allowed to sail without a patrol boat, although if anyone has an accident we are sure this will be recinded. As a result we are careful.

We sail in a different way when there is no patrol, not pushing it, aware that there is no rescue service and that we are responsible for ourselves. Common sense dictates whether the conditions are suitable and we write on a board who is out in what, so that the emergency services would have an idea what to look for, should they need to if, say, a hurricane passes through!

We have had some interesting moments, such as rudder going in force 5-6 trapezing reach as dusk was falling, (really, we weren't pushing it!)  but although it was a long walk round the shore we got back to the club without accident or other damage. OK we should have sailed rudderless, but sailing water out of an Osprey when rudderless is not that simple - it seemed quicker to walk!

Ultimately we accept that we are on our own, prepare as best we can and take responsibility for it.

 

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