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Yes I sail Hythe, thursday nights regularly, and Sundays if I'm around and
not kite/wind surfing. Osprey? Frankly it had never appeared on my radar over the years. I'd spotted 505's having known folk who sailed them, and all the usual suspects, Int 14, GP's, Scorpions, Fireballs, 420's, 470's, Merlin Rockets, but the name Osprey never featured so I googled it and had a looksee, but its still locked in old school mode. I'm probably the most informed none sailor around having watched from the sidelines over the years and raced at many a yacht club. I'd also confused that Vago with another boat that was on display at LBS, something from the Topper lot, Gemini I think it was called. So it seems to be a straight comparison between the Vago & RS 500, idly comparing construction and sail area, I'd put the 500 as lighter and slightly more sail area and from that made the assumption. I still am unaware of the PN (I notice its PN these days rather than PY)and note the osprey has what 960? was it which seems fast. So there you have it, I'm however not much the wiser as to the viability of this 500 on our water and with the cre weight I might end up with. (67 +85kgs)(25 stone) |
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sods_law ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 29 Jul 06 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1 |
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Hi Greame, To add another option that you may not have thought about, have you considered a 29er? May be a bit small for what you are looking for, but may be worth a look. With regard to the RS800, they can be set up with single wire option. I sailed one in turkey which only had the single wire, so it can be done. The RS is less tippy than the 29er too. I've never sailed a Vago or 500, so can't offer any useful advice on them
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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With respect for those who think the 59er ought to have a trapeze, it should be noted that it does not, (apart from a few individuals altering their own boats), there is no "trap kit" and fitting trapeze gear would doubtless invalidate the warranty. Inalling one one also makes the boat ineligible for class events and any other requiring the boat to have a measurement certificate plus would make any published handicap invalid. |
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Medway Maniac ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 May 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2788 |
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If you go to 'Search' (see the top of this screen) and search for RS500 or Vago under 'Topic Subject' you'll find heaps of comment, mostly damning, I have to say. For the record, the Osprey has a PY of 940, faster than the provisional numbers for the 500 or Vago, neither of which, imho, will easily sail to their rather optimistic ratings in average conditions. |
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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And, it also needs to be said, mostly by people who haven't sailed the boats and want to promote their own choice. |
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Medway Maniac ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 May 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2788 |
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True, but I have raced in a Vago, so can damn that wholeheartedly! |
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Prince Buster ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 15 Dec 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1146 |
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international moth - "what what?"
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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That's highly debatable I think. And if you Osprey Sailors are feeling left out because no-ones being rude about your boat please speak up and we'll oblige! I mean, just because it came further down the pack in its O)lympic trials event (with FD, 505. Hornet etc) than the Boss came in its one doesn't mean its a bad boat. Does it? |
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Hobbo ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 Jun 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 211 |
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boatshed ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 12 Apr 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 457 |
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Ospreys are a bit rare and are not extensivley raced throughout the UK, however, I do get to see them at Mounts Bay. They are impressive in a big sea and big wind, especially upwind. I say, beware starting to windward of one. They are a classic Ian Proctor design with plenty of rocker, long water line and not too beamy, so, very far removed from modern designs. This with their low aspect ratio rig provides the good windward performance in heavy conditions - strickly displacement not planing. Downwind, most modern designs will pick up and plane much earlier. They are not light and they are best with two beefy crew members. Once they can get the crew on the wire, they sail to and beyond their handicap of 940 with some ease. Many of the boats are old and there are various marks, through to the latest grp mark 4. I've had a good look at the mark 4 and its very nicely built. I suspect its built to exploit the class rules, which have fairly broad tolerances. Modern rigs are carbon with kevlar sails. Its probably a sure bet that the older boats are now uncompetitive. Unlike, say, the Fireball, I doubt if many or any were home built, which, in the dinghy explosion of the 50s and 60s contributed to massive fleets of easy ( ha !) to build boats. Osprey number are therefore limited and I think around 1300 have been built since they were designed in the 50s. Thats my take on the Osprey. They are not my bag but their owners love them.
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