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    Posted: 29 Jul 06 at 12:05am
Yes I sail Hythe, thursday nights regularly, and Sundays if I'm around and
not kite/wind surfing.

Osprey? Frankly it had never appeared on my radar over the years.

I'd spotted 505's having known folk who sailed them, and all the usual
suspects, Int 14, GP's, Scorpions, Fireballs, 420's, 470's, Merlin Rockets,
but the name Osprey never featured so I googled it and had a looksee,
but its still locked in old school mode.

I'm probably the most informed none sailor around having watched from
the sidelines over the years and raced at many a yacht club.

I'd also confused that Vago with another boat that was on display at LBS,
something from the Topper lot, Gemini I think it was called.

So it seems to be a straight comparison between the Vago & RS 500, idly
comparing construction and sail area, I'd put the 500 as lighter and
slightly more sail area and from that made the assumption.

I still am unaware of the PN (I notice its PN these days rather than PY)and
note the osprey has what 960? was it which seems fast.

So there you have it, I'm however not much the wiser as to the viability of
this 500 on our water and with the cre weight I might end up with. (67
+85kgs)(25 stone)
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Hi Greame,

To add another option that you may not have thought about, have you considered a 29er? May be a bit small for what you are looking for, but may be worth a look.

With regard to the RS800, they can be set up with single wire option. I sailed one in turkey which only had the single wire, so it can be done. The RS is less tippy than the 29er too.

I've never sailed a Vago or 500, so can't offer any useful advice on them

 

PS. I sail without booties too

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Originally posted by Hobbo

59er with trap kit looks your best bet for what you are looking for


With respect for those who think the 59er ought to have a trapeze, it should be noted that it does not, (apart from a few individuals altering their own boats), there is no "trap kit" and fitting trapeze gear would doubtless invalidate the warranty. Inalling one one also makes the boat ineligible for class events and any other requiring the boat to have a measurement certificate plus would make any published handicap invalid.
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If you go to 'Search' (see the top of this screen) and search for RS500 or Vago under 'Topic Subject' you'll find heaps of comment, mostly damning, I have to say.

For the record, the Osprey has a PY of 940, faster than the provisional numbers for the 500 or Vago, neither of which, imho, will easily sail to their rather optimistic ratings in average conditions.

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Originally posted by Medway Maniac

you'll find heaps of comment, mostly damning, I have to say

And, it also needs to be said, mostly by people who haven't sailed the boats and want to promote their own choice.
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Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by Medway Maniac

you'll find heaps of comment, mostly damning, I have to say

And, it also needs to be said, mostly by people who haven't sailed the boats and want to promote their own choice.

True, but I have raced in a Vago, so can damn that wholeheartedly!

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Originally posted by turnturtle



erm Graeme with all due respect you're looking at buying an rs500- a sunsail/kids boat that's been right-royally panned  since it's inception on this forum... as for the osprey, nothing but positive comments herewith- I agree, the osprey was off my radar too.. but looking at it at the dinghy ex it's a really nice bit of kit- not what I want to purchase at the mo, but a hell of lot more performance per pound than a frikin' 500!




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Originally posted by turnturtle


Graeme with all due respect you're looking at buying an rs500- a sunsail/kids boat that's been right-royally panned  since it's inception on this forum... as for the osprey, nothing but positive comments herewith- I agree, the osprey was off my radar too.. but looking at it at the dinghy ex it's a really nice bit of kit- not what I want to purchase at the mo, but a hell of lot more performance per pound than a frikin' 500!


That's highly debatable I think. And if you Osprey Sailors are feeling left out because no-ones being rude about your boat please speak up and we'll oblige! I mean, just because it came further down the pack in its O)lympic trials event (with FD, 505. Hornet etc) than the Boss came in its one doesn't mean its a bad boat. Does it?
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Ospreys are a bit rare and are not extensivley raced throughout the UK, however, I do get to see them at Mounts Bay.  They are impressive in a big sea and big wind, especially upwind.  I say, beware starting to windward of one.

They are a classic Ian Proctor design with plenty of rocker, long water line and not too beamy, so, very far removed from modern designs.  This with their low aspect ratio rig provides the good windward performance in heavy conditions - strickly displacement not planing.  Downwind, most modern designs will pick up and plane much earlier.

They are not light and they are best with two beefy crew members.  Once they can get the crew on the wire, they sail to and beyond their handicap of 940 with some ease. 

Many of the boats are old and there are various marks, through to the latest grp mark 4.  I've had a good look at the mark 4 and its very nicely built.  I suspect its built to exploit the class rules, which have fairly broad tolerances.  Modern rigs are carbon with kevlar sails.  Its probably a sure bet that the older boats are now uncompetitive.

Unlike, say, the Fireball, I doubt if many or any were home built, which, in the dinghy explosion of the 50s and 60s contributed to massive fleets of easy ( ha !)  to build boats.  Osprey number are therefore limited and I think  around 1300 have been built since they were designed in the 50s.

Thats my take on the Osprey.  They are  not my bag but their owners love them.

 

 

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