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    Posted: 19 May 21 at 10:12am
What's more irritating up until last year I think it was, I was busy re-rounding as some at our club still do. We tell them of course.. er after they've re-rounded.
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Save the planet, get rid of the touching mark rule, will save a ton of paper and ink, not forgetting the stress to new racers, bad feelings, disputes etc
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Allowing people to hit Marks is bad practice and can encourage cheating and damage . thats why the 200 fleet have gone back to not allowing people to hit Marks..
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If you are allowed to push past the mark, how can it encourage cheating?
Imagine a beginner in their first race, wind verging on to strong for them, they touch the mark, then someone tells them they have to do a 360.
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And now race round admiralty buoys...
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Originally posted by Rupert

And now race round admiralty buoys...


How do you get the sailors to tread water in one place?

And what about equal opportunity?
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IMHO it doesn't matter either way, I've raced dinghies and windsurfers, the latter allow touching marks, the former (which I race now and did from 12-18 years old) don't.

Beginners are unlikely to be at the front so won't affect the serious racers if they hit a mark so I'd say keep the rules as they are but don't shout at beginners to do turns in breezy conditions  if they hit a mark. We need to encourage beginners to get out there and race. After the race is the time to tell them that touching a mark would normally result in penalty turns but that in the early stages of learning to race just getting round the course is an achievement in itself.
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Someone is still going to tell them they shouldn't have touched the mark, really they should have taken a penalty turn, so then they lose the I got round good feeling, rules worthy of requiring a Barrister to implement have no place in most clubs, there needs to be a 'Club edition'.
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Why is is any harder for the rule to be "don't hit the mark", than "you can hit the mark, but only on the side which means you've been round it"?

There are many confusing rules in sailing. I can't see how this is one of them.
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Prada Cup final: Race 5, not hitting a mark, but penalties for gaining an advantage from breaking a rule.
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