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    Posted: 15 Sep 19 at 4:21pm
Originally posted by Dougaldog

Putting the 59er to one side as that is far more a product of the modern age, both the Jacksnipe and Spearhead were good boats, with the latter surely deserving a better epitaph than 'a quarter tonner for a sailor with one friend'.

However, they have to be seen as products of their time that we subjected to the problems of  build issues, politics (including the politics of the international scene) and the 'slings and arrows of outrageous fortunes'. How one boat could have so much bad luck in so short a time.....or the other boat suffer initially from poor quality control and then become a toxic political football to kick around, should not detract from their undoubted intentions to raise the bar in development terms.

Just the other week my searches turned up a nice example of another  candidate that could easily join the Spearhead and Jacksnipe, the Peter Milne designed Bullet aka the Baby 'ball.

I was reminded recently of my series that Dinghy Mag carried ...must be 15 years ago now, titled the 'Lost Classes', which took a more detailed look at boats that are no longer with us. Yes, of course there were some howlers in there, but there was also no shortage of cleverly designed examples, across the range of genres, that either never got past the prototype (or prototype plus a handful) OR sold enough to be a runaway success by the standards of today....yet still vanished from trace apart from the odd barn find and E-bay bargain. Maybe it is time for a reworking of Lost Classes, it is on the list but there are more pressing articles ahead of it - for now!

If it were not for the people behind these boats and others...and in this list one would have to include the likes of iGRF who put money on the line to follow his own philosophy of design, not just the boats were sail, but the sport itself would be a bland and far less interesting place to be!

Dougal

Wasn’t intending to disparage the Spearhead, just to my eyes it just looks like a boat designed to stretch a rating rule. The one friend was just about the fact that it is S/H.


Now the Bullet, from what little I can find it is a shame it didn’t catch on. Probably expensive for a youth boat. The flooding buoyancy tanks still lives on in Solway Dory. It is a very strange sport we participate in and we have so many unrecognised individuals to thank. At 23 I thought I had the next big thing in my grasp, clearly I didn’t but it was a great journey and led to other adventures. 
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Putting the 59er to one side as that is far more a product of the modern age, both the Jacksnipe and Spearhead were good boats, with the latter surely deserving a better epitaph than 'a quarter tonner for a sailor with one friend'.

However, they have to be seen as products of their time that we subjected to the problems of  build issues, politics (including the politics of the international scene) and the 'slings and arrows of outrageous fortunes'. How one boat could have so much bad luck in so short a time.....or the other boat suffer initially from poor quality control and then become a toxic political football to kick around, should not detract from their undoubted intentions to raise the bar in development terms.

Just the other week my searches turned up a nice example of another  candidate that could easily join the Spearhead and Jacksnipe, the Peter Milne designed Bullet aka the Baby 'ball.

I was reminded recently of my series that Dinghy Mag carried ...must be 15 years ago now, titled the 'Lost Classes', which took a more detailed look at boats that are no longer with us. Yes, of course there were some howlers in there, but there was also no shortage of cleverly designed examples, across the range of genres, that either never got past the prototype (or prototype plus a handful) OR sold enough to be a runaway success by the standards of today....yet still vanished from trace apart from the odd barn find and E-bay bargain. Maybe it is time for a reworking of Lost Classes, it is on the list but there are more pressing articles ahead of it - for now!

If it were not for the people behind these boats and others...and in this list one would have to include the likes of iGRF who put money on the line to follow his own philosophy of design, not just the boats were sail, but the sport itself would be a bland and far less interesting place to be!

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Originally posted by Old bloke

Among the obvious boats we have 3 rarities, Jacksnipe, Spearhead and 59r.
Good boats that just didn't make it , or solutions to a problem that didnt exist?
That Spearheaded is something else, clearly the problem was someone wanted a 1/4T IOR boat but only had one friend. 
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Originally posted by Old bloke

Among the obvious boats we have 3 rarities, Jacksnipe, Spearhead and 59r.
Good boats that just didn't make it , or solutions to a problem that didnt exist?

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Among the obvious boats we have 3 rarities, Jacksnipe, Spearhead and 59r.
Good boats that just didn't make it , or solutions to a problem that didnt exist?
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Need to add an old Snark to my list. That was an interesting boat, £20 well spent!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Jamie600 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Sep 19 at 2:16pm
Here's an eclectic list - and bear in mind I started aged 12 so the first one was totally unsuitable - it was bought because my dad's mate was selling it and my dad's always right....

- OK
- Graduate
- Very old Laser
- Nice Laser
- 2 or 3 new Lasers
- RS300
- RS600 861
- RS600 982
- Moth (DIY foiler conversion - not terribly successful)
- RS600 962
- RS300
- Enterprise
- Solution
- RS600 810

There's a definite pattern forming towards the end, unfortunately the current RS600 is older than the first one I had 15 years ago...

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Mine:

Mirror
Fireball
16 foot skiff one-off
Flying Fifteen
Laser
470
RS400
Europe
Flying Dutchman
Europe
Europe
Laser
Mirror
Europe
National Twelve (Final Chapter)
NS14

Only the NS14 is current. At worst I had 6 on the go at once!

A 505 remains top of the bucket list. One day ...
Europe AUS53 & FF 3615
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sam.Spoons Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Sep 19 at 9:13am
Originally posted by rich96


Finn - current
Finn - current
Finn - current
OK - current
OK - current

Ooops - still seem to have 5 boats !



And five nearly identical boats at that  Wink
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Brandy Hole One Design
Swift
Tiptree  Finn
Fairey Finn
Laser
Hunter 19
Laser
Mirror x2
Mercury
Laser
Lark x2
Contender
Enterprise x2
Fairey Finn *
Devoti Finn*
Hunter Duette*
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Finn K197, Finn GBR564, GK29
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