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    Posted: 06 Aug 18 at 8:54am
I think it could be a really good idea. But not with a triangles. If you're mid fleet, it's the dirty air on the beats that kills you. You're actually in the pretty decent position tactically to do overtaking on the first downwind if you're buried in the pack (leaders still close, and blanketed by fleet). So I just can't see anyone electing to the triangle anytime but at the end. 

What would really help overtaking is an outer loop beat, that you reach across to after the first leeward mark. That would give people in the mid pack an opportunity sail their second beat in clear air, which would really give an opportunity to catch up. 


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Originally posted by RS400atC

Could be interesting with some of the rules?
Proper course? 
'Mark' that only hasa required side when you choose?
Interferin with a boat on a different leg?

Happens all the time with assys and syms racing the same courses.....


It doesn't happen in quite the same way though. Although the assy have a different proper course, they only have one true proper course. In this scenario boats would often have two 'proper' courses depending on which mark they choose to go to next. 
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Originally posted by RS400atC

Could be interesting with some of the rules?
Proper course?
'Mark' that only hasa required side when you choose?
Interferin with a boat on a different leg?

Happens all the time with assys and syms racing the same courses.....

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Post Options Post Options   Quote RS400atC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Aug 18 at 8:50pm
Could be interesting with some of the rules?
Proper course?
'Mark' that only hasa required side when you choose?
Interferin with a boat on a different leg?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Mongoose Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Aug 18 at 5:45pm
I can see how this might be made to work with a P shaped course. Position the committee boat near mark C in the middle of the P to form a gate at that point, possibly with the SI that you should only go through the gate downwind when sailing your triangle round.

I can also see a few issues, not least if the PRO needs to shorten course and several members of the fleet have yet to do their triangle.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote zippyRN Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Aug 18 at 11:54am
Originally posted by JimC

Remind me not to be on the committee boat!

 you'd have to  place a 'slave'  recording boat  at this wing mark 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote maxibuddah Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Aug 18 at 10:07am
You'd need to make the courses short to take advantage of it though. A lot of championship courses are only two or three laps. Make it 5 or 6 1/4 mile beats and it might just work

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Sounds like it's a knockout, play the joker
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Post Options Post Options   Quote 2547 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Aug 18 at 9:39pm
I like the idea. In sailing the rich get richer and this mixes it up. 
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They do something very similar in Rallycross, and it works well in that, certainly from my point of view as a spectator. Everyone has to do one longer lap at some point during the race. It works as a good 'get out of jail' for someone who gets stuck in traffic at the back (go and do the longer lap early to get some clear space), and there are a lot of tactics around when people in the middle pick their moment to work out where they are going to end up in the traffic after it.

The laps would be a bit longer (10 minutes instead of about 1 minute per lap), but I think it would work. It wouldn't be too bad for the race team to manage, they would just need to leave someone stationed on the gybe mark all the time to check people off.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Oinks Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Aug 18 at 6:07pm
Don't really get that. On a windward-leeward course, on either leg you can sail out to one side as far as you want to anyway!
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