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    Posted: 21 Mar 18 at 9:54am
He has a point in terms of venues with examples such as china and Rio being pretty bad venues in terms of conditions and bacterial infections.

In terms of classes the Olympics is looking to reduce numbers overall as this is closely linked to costs and sailing has to go with this as most of its funding comes from this. In my view as sailing has a voting system with no real strategic leadership then this leads to pretty bad decision making. Sailing needs more direct leadership and if we had this then we might have a better mix of classes in the Olympics.
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Devils Advocate again here, but why does sailing think it's so special it has to have such a variety of types? Give me the name of another sport that's equipment is so diverse? Makes no sense.

1 boat, 1 windsurf style board, 1 Kite surf board (both of these have no place being governed by yotties anyway) all with both sexes and 1 multi with foils if you must (may as well have a jetski as well since our governing body chooses to represent them but ignore other sailing or paddle sports that might be in keeping with it's club infrastructure)

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Originally posted by iGRF

Devils Advocate again here, but why does sailing think it's so special it has to have such a variety of types?

You may as well ask why there have to be so many different ways of swimming up and down the same pool...
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Originally posted by iGRF

Devils Advocate again here, but why does sailing think it's so special it has to have such a variety of types? Give me the name of another sport that's equipment is so diverse? Makes no sense.

Athletics:  shoes, spears, cannonballs, disks, hammers, hurdles etc
Cycling:  different types of bikes for every one of the different events
Shooting:  rifles, shotguns, airguns

Need I go on?

Originally posted by iGRF


1 boat, 1 windsurf style board, 1 Kite surf board (both of these have no place being governed by yotties anyway) all with both sexes and 1 multi with foils if you must (may as well have a jetski as well since our governing body chooses to represent them but ignore other sailing or paddle sports that might be in keeping with it's club infrastructure)
Quite like the Boat, Board, Kite formula.

Jetski is a pissy comment:  That's a RYA special:  WS doesn't go there.
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1 board, a set of medals per gender:

< 5 knots of wind you paddle it - straight line downwinder waypoint to waypoint

5 - 15 knots of winds you foil it with a kite - slalom course

15 knots + you stand up on it with a proper windsurf rig - triangle course

Called at the PRO discretion, one / two hours before the televised start time - no delays.  

- reduces medal count
- suits TV audience
- reduces equipement cost

Time to dump 'sailing' and focus of a broader watersports medal set that really tests across the board watermanship skills, not just elite sailing specialisms.  


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Originally posted by maxibuddah

I guess it depends on what you want from the Olympics. Is it providing the pinnacle competition for athletes or a TV show for those who can't be bothered to get off their backsides? If it's the latter then sailing ain't the right sport, it takes too long for starters, they'll lose interest. The only people who will watch it will end up being sailors who'll berate it as rubbish. So why bother chasing the TV gold.

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although most sailors I know who watched the latest AC ate humble pie about their (myself included) preconceptions of what makes good TV watching for sailing

(I'll admit Brazil was sh*t...)
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Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by iGRF

Devils Advocate again here, but why does sailing think it's so special it has to have such a variety of types?

You may as well ask why there have to be so many different ways of swimming up and down the same pool...

Or running events over 100m, 200m, 400m, 800m, 1500m, 5000m, 10,000m and marathon. And also running with hurdles in the way. Bolt would never win a 10k and Mo never win a 100m. 
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Originally posted by iGRF

Good sailors should be able to sail anything and make it look OK

Graeme, a 470 helmed by a 95kg 6ft Finn sailor would be last every time, at a proper event, just like Hannah Mills would be in a Finn.

Squaddie male 470 helms are told they must be under 60kg. Any sensible single trap boat will get to the same.

[QUOTE=iGRF] the question should be, what would, by being presented to the world at large, be better to promote the sport to a wide and gender equal audience.

Sailing is not and will never be a spectator sport. Even crash bang is usually dull to watch. Team racing is closest to being televisual, it's phrenetic but mostly happens too quickly to be explained properly. Ultimately, ours is a participation sport; we should be selling the idea of doing it, and you won't succeed in that by making people watch it. 
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Originally posted by fab100


Originally posted by iGRF

Good sailors should be able to sail anything and make it look OK
Graeme, a 470 helmed by a 95kg 6ft Finn sailor would be last every time, at a proper event, just like Hannah Mills would be in a Finn.
Squaddie male 470 helms are told they must be under 60kg. Any sensible single trap boat will get to the same.
[QUOTE=iGRF] the question should be, what would, by being presented to the world at large, be better to promote the sport to a wide and gender equal audience.
Sailing is not and will never be a spectator sport. Even crash bang is usually dull to watch. Team racing is closest to being televisual, it's phrenetic but mostly happens too quickly to be explained properly. Ultimately, ours is a participation sport; we should be selling the idea of doing it, and you won't succeed in that by making people watch it. 


And the fact that it's not a spectator sport means the sport should be questioning whether it should be part of the Olympics at all. The Olympics is all about chasing the TV shilling these days and sailing will not fit in with that no matter how you tinker with classes. It's too complicated for the masses to be televisual for them.
Everything I say is my opinion, honest
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