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iGRF 
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 Topic: Change the PY System?Posted: 21 Jul 17 at 11:20pm |
Great One Design then. 
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Rupert
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Posted: 22 Jul 17 at 6:33am |
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Given some Lasers are over 40 years old and sailing with dishrag sails, of course there are variables.
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Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686
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Posted: 22 Jul 17 at 8:06am |
As sailing sec, I am tasked with this role. It is tedious, thankless and often nothing more than personal handicapping.
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Posted: 22 Jul 17 at 8:08am |
What do you mean by this TT? All boats are riddled with variables, but they all only have a single PY.
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423zero
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Posted: 22 Jul 17 at 8:28am |
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You locally adjust, presumably working from PY number, how do you adjust? Could be useful for other sailing secretaries. |
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Posted: 22 Jul 17 at 9:15am |
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We take every race result throughout the year and rescore them to get club specific handicaps. This club PY is the averaged (not on a 50/50 basis) with the RYA PY. However, we eliminate any result where a boat finishes more than x% in time behind the mid placed boat. We also weight the results by a subjective personal handicap - every member is assigned a personal handicap with 1.00 being average and 0.95 being very good. This is done to avoid the calculated numbers becoming personal handicaps - e.g. If we have only one RS700 and it is very well sailed, we do to want to penalise the RS700 PY.
The downsides of this approach are a. The subjective nature of the personal handicap, b. The fact that the personal handicap part has already established who the best sailors are, so why bother racing, c. It takes a lot of effort, d. There are lots of complaints.
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PeterG
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Posted: 22 Jul 17 at 9:34am |
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That's an impressively rigorous approach, and sounds like a lot of work. I have to ask, and this is a genuine question, do you think there are real benefits from doing it? Does it improve competition/member satisfaction etc?
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Posted: 22 Jul 17 at 9:48am |
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Well, on the one hand it is hard to see any other way of locally adjusting PY that isn't totally subjective or biased against good sailors. On the other hand it is lots of effort and at the end of the day the results over a series are not much affected - the best way to win is to enter all the races. I don't think for one moment it increases the number of racing entries we have, but possibly the competition is slightly fairer.
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Posted: 22 Jul 17 at 10:12am |
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It's amazing how many forum threads there are on changing the py system because people aren't winning when they feel they should, yet so few threads about actually getting better at racing in order to win.
Of course, also several threads on the sports decline. Though maybe if someone joining sailing isn't presented with a sport with a culture of learning, improving and betterering, but instead is presented with a sport of complaining and whining that it's soooooo unfair that only sailing once or twice a week with zero dedicated training time doesn't neatly present you with a plethora of race wins, then yeah I can understand perfectly the sports seeming decline. |
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Posted: 22 Jul 17 at 10:17am |
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Impressed with your dedication A2Z.
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