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Rupert 
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Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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 Topic: RYA or new organisationPosted: 26 Apr 17 at 9:35pm |
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Surely sailing is a beach, fun, canal, river passtime, too? The Mirror could be towed, sailed, have a Seagull on the back, take a picnic, be raced in huge fleets, be cruised thousands of miles, be used as a tender, and was stupidly popular. Now, most on here would appear to think of it as a bit boring because it is slow and old. The racers changed it to be more "modern", so making it less suitable as an all rounder, the glass versions are eyewateringly expensive, sails cost an arm and a leg.
Give SUP a few years and it will start to eat itself, too. Already the race boards are getting more and more extreme and unusable by part timers. |
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iGRF
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Posted: 26 Apr 17 at 9:09pm |
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My view is always, easy in easy out, hence never committing to it commercially, that and I think it's gee eh? why?
But is the latest trend in watersport and it is easy access, they've even got a very pretty girl teaching Yoga on it I might sign up myself for a laugh dying dog on a Sup sounds the nuts and Tuesday nights being windsurf race night are usually windless, it was good to see the bar populated after racing however so it's good news better wetsuits than lycra like we have sunday mornings. But commercially it's a runner at least Tushingham has gone Venture Capital and hocked himself into the realms of bean counters hence having to ditch his own sail brand at the altar of Red Paddle. He wouldn't have done that if the numbers didn't add up. It's not one of those all encompassing things like sailing, it can be done along with other activities and is a beach, fun, canal river, lake pastime which will have it's fifteen minutes, that's for sure. |
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turnturtle
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Posted: 26 Apr 17 at 7:39pm |
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And how many of those SUP riders will get bitten for life do you reckon? Or is that old school thinking, and frankly those in sports marketing accept the churn - be that 18 months or 10 years? Genuine question mate?
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iGRF
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Posted: 26 Apr 17 at 6:47pm |
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There were a dozen young people out at our club last night freezing their butts learning to SUP a few of them were recently moved down DFLs enjoying time out after work on the sea. There were only six of us left Windsurf Racing (And the rate I'm going that will soon be 5) They will be down every week because a young enthusiastic girl as taken it up on herself to profit by setting up a SUP school,
Co incidentally they put up the poster for the RYA Push the Boat out, not that we can fit any more boats in our boat park but the new Commodore is keen so ours not to reason why, but nonetheless, that is one day in the entire year. By the time it comes round probably about four dozen new SUP riders will have passed through the club. However many sailors we attract, there will be no follow up, because no one is profitably engaged to do so, and even if they did, there are no dinghy shops or dealers and no choice or advice as to what type of dinghy they should buy because none of us really care, we're busy doing what we do. By the end of the year there will be twice as many SUP riders as there will be Dinghy sailors and probably a fair few Kitesurfers as well if I have anything to do about it. There's a moral there if you care to look for it. Edited by iGRF - 26 Apr 17 at 6:47pm |
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423zero
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Posted: 26 Apr 17 at 4:59pm |
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Eisvogel, my club is in Sandwell Valley, we have several thousand a day minimum walk through on any given Saturday,at least half immigrants, we have had no interest to our advertising.we do have 1 Asian member,she came with a member though not from any attempt by us, plus a polish family, that's it.
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JimC
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Posted: 26 Apr 17 at 3:40pm |
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I'm not directly involved: only see the results.
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Eisvogel
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Posted: 26 Apr 17 at 2:58pm |
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Are you actively promoting it? Or is it happening by itself? Would be interested to hear if you have any advice on how to improve diversity! |
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turnturtle
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it would all depend on engagement objective - is the aim to raise awareness per capita? Or to increase participation? If it's the former - then a cost per slot for a TV ad during say, Coronation Street is roughly (very roughly!!!), £50k. Typically 7.8 million viewers per episode, but of course the metrics are different now as fair proportion watch on demand (guaranteed engagement) or via a hard disk catch up (where you can FFWD the adverts, therefore zero engagement). If it's the latter - then £50k spent on a 12 boat trailer and 12 Aeros or 24 Neos could be put to VERY good use around the country on a tour to encourage people to actually try it.... hit the parks with big enough lakes during summer would be a great way to start. You can't get more 'grass roots' than sailing on the Serpentine or its equivalents around the country, especially if local clubs provide some man power to support the effort. I would suggest that any marketing return from the Olympics is far more in line with the Corrie advert, i.e. it might raise awareness, but I doubt it has much impact on actual participation, even initial trial sails. Edited by turnturtle - 26 Apr 17 at 1:43pm |
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423zero
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Posted: 26 Apr 17 at 1:21pm |
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Talking about money, how much would advertising cost ? giving equivalent coverage for RYA that they get from Olympics.
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transient
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Posted: 26 Apr 17 at 10:46am |
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Jolly good. Just out of interest, does anyone know how much the RYA spend on PY development/admin and associated resources? |
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