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Topic: V3000Posted: 29 Sep 05 at 6:03pm |
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The old L3000 seems like a dog in comparison ...
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yellowhammer
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Posted: 29 Sep 05 at 6:26pm |
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Ouch, that hurt Sometimes too much emphasis is placed on slight performance advantages, where tactics and boat handling is generally far more influential in results, especially at the lower end of the performance range for trapeze boats. It's a great boat in which to learn asymmetric techniques as it really emphasises the characteristics of this type of sailing, instead of sailors having to focus most of their attention on on staying upright. Makes for good racing ... compare F1 cars with Formula 2000 for entertainment value! The single source sails is to avoid the need for class measurers and was an inducement to the builder in his business case. Also helps Jeff keep his margins low, one reason for such a good value overall package. A complete set of 3 sails is below £800, can't argue with that ... also makes owning a Laser 3000 a very good proposition in the used boat market ... definitely not one to be written off. Original Laser/Holt sails and new Sobstad sails will be class legal (subject to CA member ballot). Edited by yellowhammer |
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Chris Noble
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Posted: 29 Sep 05 at 8:04pm |
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it's a very very tempting offer indeed, looks like a bit of a handiap bandit and a good club racer aswell, im still not a fan of "tupaware" boats at all and prefer the feel and maintenance prospects of a glass/carbon/any fibre boat, aswell as the fittings stayin fitted in the boat.
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FOR SALE: I14 2 Masts 2 poles 3 Booms, Foils Kites/Mains/Jibs too many to list. |
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Jack Sparrow
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Posted: 29 Sep 05 at 9:12pm |
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But the V3000 is epoxy glass layup? Looks like a nice boat. Don't understand why lazer don't / didn't do it this way first time around. |
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Chris Noble
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Posted: 29 Sep 05 at 10:01pm |
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yeh i know it is, i was just saying that my faith lies a lot more in fibre technology boats still.
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yellowhammer
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Posted: 30 Sep 05 at 11:47am |
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Remember that the Laser 3000 has been a very strict SMOD for the past 10 years, absolutely no changes, no CA control. All we're doing is catching up with the Winder Fireball bandits of this world! In relation to the "Stifling Development" topic, no class can afford to sit on it's laurels this long. |
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Chris Noble
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Posted: 30 Sep 05 at 12:29pm |
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this is very true, but if this class hits it off again, which there is a great chance of, i dont think this will be the last development we here from it. It looks like a great boat right enough as it is, yet the possibilites for it as it is now are endless, just look at the mods the 29er has undergone with its new rig...
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Posted: 30 Sep 05 at 1:03pm |
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Sorry; my point is that the V3000 will have significant performance advantages over the L3000 - same standard sailor in each and I know where I'd place my money .... Rick |
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Isis
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Posted: 30 Sep 05 at 1:38pm |
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I cant see a twin trap, big rig 3000 coming along in the near future to be honest... I think it would be spreading its target market too thinly. The best boat is not nessaceraly the one with the biggest rags. |
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yellowhammer
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Posted: 30 Sep 05 at 3:31pm |
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.... but there's quite a wide range of standards in a fleet ... would 80-90% of the fireball fleet do much better overall in a Winder boat? for the majority of the fleet an L3000 should compete on fairly equal terms with the Vs, with affordable upgrades available to improve the L's sailability to suit yourself it's at the top of the fleet that the differential might start to show, if we get the much stiffer competition that i'm hoping for in the future |
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