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    Posted: 14 Sep 05 at 11:57pm
Originally posted by WanderNoMore

What are the differences between a Laser 3000 and 4000?

The RS200 does seem so much more popular around here, which would be handy to meet people that maybe want to crew for me!

The trapeze does get me excited though! The Cherub does seem a tad extreme for sure, but I'm not one for swapping and changing so thought I could just stick at it for a few years to get the hang of it! Maybe I should go for something a little more sedate though!

Chris.


If you've seen a Laser 2, the 3000 is basically a 2 with an open cockpit, re-designed rig with assymetric spinnaker. Really nice boats, easy to get up on the plane and would be a lot of fun progressing from a Wanderer.... Got one for sale if you're interested, not that I'm biased in anyway. Best bet is to look into the class associations of the boats you're interested in to see which one you like most.
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4000 has more sail, wing wang on the spinny pole, trapeze racks, think there's more room in the cockpit as well. 4000's faster! I haven't sailed the 4000 and haven't sailed the 3000 much, but I have a friend who quite happily sails the 3000 single handedly. The 3000 also has a jib furler, so if you were overpowered you could reduce sail on the water easily. The 4000 has a battened jib so it cannot be furled. I'd be suprised if you'll have enough weight to keep the 4000 upright with much wind - should move faster than everyone else when it's light though! I think the same would apply with Cherubs - I've only sailed one, once, it's awesome fun but you need a crew to keep it up and need plenty of weight at the back to keep the nose out of the water. The 2000 may be worth a thought as well, I've sailed that in about a 5 with main only and kept that upright with no problems. (I think) the mast is a standard Proctor mast, so although it officially has no trapeze wires can be added. Sorry if I seem Laser biased - most of my sailing has been in 420s, most of the rest I've sailed has been at the centre I work at and they predominately use Laser gear. Probs a good idea to find a centre with most of the boats you're thinking about and go and try them.
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What are the differences between a Laser 3000 and 4000?

The RS200 does seem so much more popular around here, which would be handy to meet people that maybe want to crew for me!

The trapeze does get me excited though! The Cherub does seem a tad extreme for sure, but I'm not one for swapping and changing so thought I could just stick at it for a few years to get the hang of it! Maybe I should go for something a little more sedate though!

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Wanderer to cherub is a bit extreme... as much as I think they are great boats its probibly best not to jump straight to skiff without passing go, especialy without a regular crew confirmed. Im sure some of the many cherub guys on here could give you a more valid veiw though.

RS200 sounds like your best bet to me, but if you want a trapeze then id consider the buzz or L3000. Ive seen both sailed singlehanded with reasonable ease.
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Hiya,

I'm looking at replacing my tired old Wanderer dinghy for something a bit more fun! I'm not hugely experienced (although been sailing on and off for 9 years!) but think a fun new boat will bring back the excitement that sailing should have! If anyone wants to buy a wanderer, 416, please drop me a line!!

My spec: 23yr old male weighing in at 65kg (9.5 stone) sailing on the Solent from Hill Head SC. I'm looking for a fast boat that will keep me entertained for years more and can be competently handled by one yet with the likely hood of carrying another member of crew. My trouble is I don't have a regular crew and normally take whoever's around at the time! I'm not expecting to compete in nationals or anything (unless my friend who won the RS200 national last week decides to crew for me!) but I would like something that has a bit of a social scene on the Solent.

I've been looking at the following boats:
RS200 - good for me and my lightweight crew but lacks trapeze (fun factor!). Very good social scene.

RS Vareo - good because it's a single hander with poss of 2nd crew member, but what do they have to do? No jib to play with! Does it have a trapeze?

Cherub - bit worried about the development class - seems a lot of boat mods to choose from! A scarily over complicated option at the moment - but options of single / double trapeze - lightweight crews seems good. Any tips? There seems to be lots of owners on here, but the Y&Y stats of National Championship attendances puts them at 87, just below the...

Buzz - single trapeze, quite lightweight etc.

Fireball - old and cheap - how do these live up to modern standards? Are symmetric spinny's really that hard to handle? Do I NEED a crew to sail one?

There's too many dinghy's to look at - so help me please!! Basically I would like a boat that can accommodate a crew, but doesn't require the crew to necessarily be there! Is an incompetent crew member better than no crew member? I would also like a fast boat that has the potential to thrill, (pref. with a trapeze), is lightweight (so it's easy to handle and right after a capsize by just myself), and can potentially be sailed single headedly.

My budget is dependant on what I sell the Wanderer for - but I imagine I'll be sitting on about 3k by the end of it, (not that I have to spend it all!)

Thanks for your help, it's much appreciated! I'm getting blinded by all the information out there!

Chris.


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