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hurricane ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1047 |
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ok the tornado has cleaned up on handicap so who eva said that doesnt know what they are talking about if u want to win in ca sailing and are any good u will sail a tornado if u cant handle the speed then u best do something clever and buy a silly slow boat like a laser 4000!!!! |
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Harry44981! ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 26 Aug 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 736 |
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make a holiday out of it- i went this summer- its a really nice place, and windy most of the time.
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Scooby_simon ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 02 Apr 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2415 |
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Maybe they were not invited ? I would love to have a go at it, but it would be a bit of a treck for me... |
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rogerd ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 25 May 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1076 |
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Which raises the question. Why no cats? Did they feel they had no chance |
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Scooby_simon ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 02 Apr 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2415 |
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From the Daily sail....
So no Cats were sailing but I would fancy a go at that one...
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rogerd ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 25 May 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1076 |
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I dont know much about these things but where were the Cats in the two bridges race. That is a drag race between two points and I think the 18ft skiff was just beaten by a board.
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Chris 249 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 May 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2041 |
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Scooby_simon ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 02 Apr 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2415 |
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Jim, were not on the same wave length here. The Tornado I was talking about was just drag racing the 18 footers. C class cats in their latest guise are very fast in light(er) stuff, but the solid sails and hull shapes cannot cope with the big stuff. In the lighter stuff (F3 as you quote) is not that windy, you will be quicker than a few cats down wind. Try it in an F6+
I think you would find that if you started at an up wind mark, even a spitfire (Schrs 104) sould be just a little faster down wind that you. A tornado would be in a different ball park. Once above about F3-4 I have never been overtaken by a Skiff down wind (49er's mainly at grafham) - At our club championship a few weeks ago in a nice F4 I was approx 5 Minutes ahead of the 49ers in a 40 minute race - Not all my gains were upwind Skiffs are fast, but cats are faster (When there is some proper wind around) Edited by Scooby_simon |
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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Simon, as far as top speed is concerned the yardstck means next to nothing. The yardstick represents vmg round the course averaged over all conditions. The Cats are superb moderate wind machines, especially upwind, and they do get round the course very fast. But downwhill when the wind gets up the skiffs just get faster as the multis top out.
Do you know Steve Clark (the owner of Cogito, the top C Class) claims that the maximum speed he's ever got out of Cogito is 23 knots. That's standard skiff territory. But in 8 knots of breeze Cogito will do 19knots, and there's not a skiff in the world that would have a prayer of living with that. I don't often get to race against cats, but the other year I got to race against the top of the Unicorn fleet. They slaughter us round the track because they're so fast upwind, but in a f4 downwind the Cherub is easily quicker. The only spinnaker cat I've ever lined up against is a Spitfire, and I have no idea how good the ones we happened to sail next to were, but the Cherub was the same speed offwind in F3. Upwind again was quite another matter, they're far faster. One of the most impressive sights I know in sailing is something like a big Nacra hurtling upwind in a breeze with a feather of spray from the leeward bow. Ye gods they are quick. But downhill they don't go that much faster in the way that my Cherub, for instance goes more than twice as fast (that's measurable in real numbers) on a flat out reach as on a beat. |
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Scooby_simon ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 02 Apr 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2415 |
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My inter 17 IS faster than a 49er. Simple as that. On UK yardstick I rate at 735 and the 49er at 750. I do struggle against them in the lighter stuff, but as soon as Iam wiring, it's bye bye. Tornado IS MUCH faster than a 18 footer, cannot find the article from the tornado web site, but when they were testing the new big rig a couple of years ago, first time out they went to play with some 18 footers and the author was saying something like, Faster up wind, but not by much and totally swept them away downwind. I'll try and find the piece later.
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