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    Posted: 25 Jul 14 at 11:22am
Just the method where you swap hands at the end, tick. The teeth method should have gone out when dentists decided they liked swimming pools and Jags.
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No you are all of course right in me learning to tack correctly, it is a constant irritant which I'm sure would also improve my single handed sailing, I'm always getting in a mess, particularly going from port to starboard, the other way isn't so problematic for some reason, but yes the teeth come into play or as we found in the icon another routine where the crew takes it from me until I switch and climb mount gunwale (it's a long way up for short people and in the case of boats like the 300, insurmountable in a North Face of the Eiger kind of way), the Icon just added to the issue I'm half way up then end up slipping back down into the boat, we both spent a fair amount of time squatted in the bottom.

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Slippiness was not something I had an issue with Grumpf (and I sailed that boat several times). Falling over laughing as the crew fell in was an issue though as was being thrown out the back (almost) when it accelerated out of a tack or gybe.

Seems you enjoyed the boat, you will get quicker the more you sail it and when you get it right the boat flies.
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Originally posted by jeffers

Slippiness was not something I had an issue with ... as the crew fell in


Then I can only conclude either the Wicked Wing Wang or the Merlinb**tards sprayed it with suntan lotion..

Or that jumping jellyfish came in and slimed us when we were not looking.
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maybe you farted and a little bit of lube came out?
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That's disgusting kneewrecker, I've never broken wind in front of anyone ever, hadn't you realised I'm anally retentive.
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.... and there SHOULD be a small but decent halyard turning block (Harken on the spec list) at the top of the jib.  If missing it is well worth replacing or getting one sent to you.

Jib tension ?  Not a problem and not needed bar-tight ...  Icon can even climb up plate glass if set up correctly.  DO NOT pinch though except for tactical advantage if you need to squeeze things up.  VMG is usually better slightly lower and as often as not see you planing or marginal planing upwind if conditions suit.

Also coming out of each tack DO NOT oversheet - you will kill the main as I suspect you are already doing.  The front 300mm of the jib foot should follow the edge of the deck until speed builds up - crews occasionally seem to think if sheeting is 'good' then lots of sheeting must be 'even better'.  (Same thing applies to Tasars as well btw)..  Next sail try this out and feel the difference - you can come in from this default once the speed is there but choke the main off at your peril !

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PS - I can see this thread sub-part (the GRF) one will get even more interesting with time LOL     
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NO I clocked that right from word go, went out of the start bloc to block and went nowhere, spent the rest of the race finding the sweet spot between block to block stuffed high (rear traveller could sort that out so i don't have to think about it a la D Zero) and footed off with a bit of an open jib till we found it, she's very lively and you can at least 'feel' when you're getting it right, I liked that.

By the end of the race upwind we had them. That's the good thing about racing someone you know and race all the time, having said that they've been a bit off their pace lately after the broken shroud incident, I don't like racing this close, it's hard work and we were having to pull every sh*t trick in the book almost like racing lake style, but John enjoyed it, particularly one neat watercall at the end of the tight reach, we've got a sticker on the back we introduced them to verbally as well.. Royal Dirty Northern b**tards S.C. they loved that - not.

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Main can be sheeted 'almost' central... it is the jib handling that sounds like it needs a bit of TLC and attention until you can both 'see it' instinctively.  The strop set-up on the back is critical .. a rear traveller is not needed as you do have a jib (which helps of course) and you should not really be block to block in the vast majority of conditions.  

Most Icon newbies oversheet at first ...    Coming out of tacks you do not pin the main in .. use kicker a bit more and do not sheet in hard until you have decent speed on - let the boat accelerate and then bring it up tighter onto the wind.  You have to play the main and dump enough to keep the boat 'on its feet' in decent breeze - the jib really is large enough to keep you tracking forward very effectively as each gust hits .. so keep it reasonably level and moving forward with an exagerated 'main dump' as you learn the boat.... It does not have to be totally flat (like say a Merlin) but you should still aim at 'flat.'   So use the kicker a bit more than you might think and dump/sheet the main more than you are used to .....the sheet loads are pretty light so it is no hassle really.  

Decent Merlins will beat you on the water round the complete course ..... they should.  But if they make a couple of mistakes you should 'ave most of them when they do...    Being that much more complex the potential for making those mistakes is of course a tad higher.   Not a 'knock' that one - just the reality.

And sort out the non-slip situation somehow - it is either your kit or the boat needs a 'sort'.  Does not matter the cause really.... feeling 'secure' is faster !

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"Decent Merlins will beat you on the water round the complete course ..... they should."

Really? When our handicap is 969 and there's is 990, so how's that then?

Could you explain that please? To trevor my normal crew, he's an intelligent person, a man running a business employing hundreds, help me tell him why the merlin should beat us yet our handicap is faster than theirs, oh and while you're at it, the man that would have won that race who was on rescue boat duty, but would have been all over us like a bad rash in his Contender, tell me how is it his handicap is also slower than ours.

Help me out here, I'm trying to explain it to grown up businessmen from the real world.

You know, the type that have the money and the disposable income to buy these things.

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