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Do Different ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 26 Jan 12 Location: North Online Status: Offline Posts: 1312 |
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Sorry PM, the Bethwaite system is a ball & keyhole.
I am talking about a flush plate with a hook, further research has into past forum strings has revealed the John Waddington design as that I have seen. Anybody know of them in regular use or suppliers?
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pondmonkey ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Aug 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2202 |
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ahh, yes I remember seeing something like that once... hope the forum hive can provide a link too.
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craiggo ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Apr 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1810 |
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Neither the flat plate nor the bethwaite system, really work with the modern flat wiring position. The angle of the wire to the harness is such that you can easily become separated. It worked fine when we trapezed more up right. As for BAs I'm not really sure either way. I had an incident sailing a 14 where during a capsize recovery I got caught under the boat and the BA held me against the bottom, luckily I was able to push off of the daggerboard to get out. I have sailed a couple of times without, and felt very vulnerable. With trapeze harnesses my biggest hook up was on the wing to hull elastic on the 700 with the boat going in to windward. In my panic I managed to snap the elastic and broke free, but it was a scary few seconds. That said the danger has never stopped me sailing and probably never will.
As to whether we have a duty of responsibility to the club, well if you are a member, then damn right you do, and as such you owe it to all the other members to do your bit too make it as safe as possible. Whether the same can be said if you are a customer? I'd say not. As a customer you pay for a defined service however that service can come with Ts&Cs to prevent you making an arse of yourself. I'm comfortable with change, and reluctant to get bogged down in doing it the way it's always been done, but it will be a sad day if members sailing clubs gave way to customer oriented pay to sail centres. |
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tick ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 16 Nov 12 Online Status: Offline Posts: 223 |
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I have never had a scary moment with a trap harness, when I did that kind of thing. I am also a lousy swimmer who is easily terrified so a BA is a must. I would have thought the mainsheet was the worst thing. I have had that wrapped round my feet a few times and a poor guy drowned at Abersoch a few years ago with sheet wrapped round his neck.
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pondmonkey ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Aug 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2202 |
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Wasn't there a trap involved at the Abersoch one tick? Laser 4000 iirc?
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sargesail ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Jan 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1459 |
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James, If we're thinking of the same incident I'm not sure it was either. It was a 4000, but IIRC there were other factors.
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tick ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 16 Nov 12 Online Status: Offline Posts: 223 |
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A gruesome thing to discuss but I thought it was a 400...no trap? It seems that dinghy sailing is pretty safe (touch wood) but is there any kind of record kept of accident causes? At our club we once had a near serious powerboat incident, like the recent tragic Cornwall one, and a case of hypothermia.There was a heart attack death but that had nothing to do with sailing.
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winging it ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Mar 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3958 |
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It was a laser 4000. The crew was crawling forward along the deck to deal with a tangled spinny when his harness hook got caught on a lower shroud. The boat then capsized and he couldn't free the hook, plus there was a sheet caught round his neck.
There was a second similar incident in USA where a hook got caught on a shroud. The lessons learned from these incidents report the need to right the dinghy as quickly as possible, rather than try to free the caught persons whilst under the water. Same with the Kielder Water fatality. One of the joys of being an RTC Principal is you get to read all this stuff. Lessons do get learned after such incidents, and new guidelines are produced. One such after Kielder is that training boats should be fitted with mast head floats and also the boats must be fitted with devices to stop centre boards falling back into cases should the boat invert. Clubs should keep accident and incident reports and anything serious will automatically be investigated by MAIB. Their findings then get reported to people like me and changes made. There have been changes to the pb2 sysllabus for example - no sharp u turn stops - too many people falling out of the boat. Plus all the new pb guidelines for training boats. |
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the same, but different...
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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I might have missed a bit here, but there is a trapeze spreader which is totally flush, young dumberer uses it to good effect, and the ball and hole idea was a US creation IIRC. Got a feeling the flush plate is built by someone in the Kent area, up Dartford way, they'd probably have it at that All Good Fun shop or know where to get them, I'd like to see a trigger operated system like my kitesurfing release, the one's that I think RWO have give you the tendency to lose the hook if deployed.
We went in on Sunday, really annoying went from bad start to rounding first then back to last again because he couldn't unhook quick enough when the boat was up on it's side so took the inevitable jump down into the sail (we now have a hole in it), a quick release would have prevented that, very difficult to knock it out when it's under tension, I think the solution is a better design at the trapeze hanging bits you hook into. |
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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There was a big windsurfing community at Hickling, certainly back in the day, not sure nowadays, but they have at least bequeathed some common sense.. |
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