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    Posted: 23 Feb 09 at 4:16pm
well at least with the vareo when you let the kite line go it just drops on the fordeck so you can pull it in at your own pace well thats the way i do it.
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Originally posted by turnturtle

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your gonna need a lot of kicker downwind, and wouldn't lots of kicker make
the gybing more of a bitch?


Good point, might explain the near full width circular mainsheet track
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Originally posted by turnturtle


possibly... but that chute's still looking very tight. What is it a handspan,
handspan and half across.... not going to be easy to douse quickly at the
leeward mark. compared to a vareo or even a MPS.

I don't think the chute size will be too much of an issue, the 400, 505 and FF don't have vastly differing chute openings in terms of size or turn angle, and they have worked fine for years, the 505 hasn't changed theirs even though they now have bigger kites too (as far as I know, feel free to correct).  I am pretty sure all their kites are bigger than the D1's. 

My concern with this is having enough fore/aft movement range, it doesn't look like it will be very comfortable going forwards of the wing/main track in the light stuff, and I will be very supprised if you won't have to given the transom it has, especially if the crew weight is designed to be high.  Also, I'd like the option to get all the way back in line with the transom when on the wing, its good fun if nothing else!!  Having said that Luca is not a stupid man, and if he has got the rocker right then maybe my concerns are misplaced. 

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Originally posted by Rockhopper

being that far forward with a big sea behind you i would think it would be good for a few pitch poles i think that mast is as far forward as a 300 which as everone knows can nose dive quite well

Not with a big Rockhopper in it!!!

 
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Originally posted by Rockhopper

being that far forward with a big sea behind you i would think it would be good for a few pitch poles i think that mast is as far forward as a 300 which as everone knows can nose dive quite well

Not with a big Rockhopper in it!!!

ah now that not nice big rockhopper at the back keeps the bow out i only ever pitch poled the 300 at bough beech no problems on the sea even though i did have a few hairy moments

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Not sure where the talk of weight equalisation and three part masts came from. As far as I can understand it is a two piece mast with three tips, allowing for different mast bend characteristics for different helms (as is normal on unstayed s/h boats such as Finns and Europes). I wouldn't worry about a lack of stiffness in the mast either, he does have some experience of such things. Talk of adjustability in the wings but no mention of ballasting or equalisation, could be up and down adustabubbility. I am now going to watch the video and be proved embarrasingly wrong...
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As Iain C says on the 505 thread "if a boat looks right.."

The front looks like a kayak.

The racks on a blaze look right - these don't.

The hull shape looks sticky for the light stuff - but perhaps it is ultra light.

How long is it supposed to be?

Maybe it will be function over form.
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I heard names like Phil Morrison and Southern Spars being mentioned. I'll grant you the wings look -koff- a bit ugly, but I suspect they are specifically designed around Lucas Finn ankle dangling style, and will spread the load in a way a round wing bar can't. There seems to be plenty of stem there, so there should be enough buoyancy to avoid the nose-divage and presumably allow weight-forward-ass-out-of-the-water shenanigans.I do like the look of the hull itself, and it certainly seems to be light enough.


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I just had a look at the first vid again and if that was the boom attached to the gooseneck then unless the main is going to be angled up - it does look a tad low.

Does that full length traveller being positioned so close to the front suggest no kicker?



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I am guessing a similar deisgn to, the fin, ok and europe in that you use the traveler and mainsheet upwind (i.e. no kicker), but put the kicker on once turned offwind, remembering to take it off to gybe, this did not take me too long to get the hang off in my OK as if forgotten it leads to painfull capsizes! The trick that is taking me a long time to perfect is finding the balance between enough kicker off to gybe properly and not too much off, so you dont loose all power from the pump on the new side!

That does seem a lot to think about when you have a kite aswell though, I am sure you would prefer to not be touching the kicker when having to concentrate on gybing the kite!



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