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    Posted: 27 May 10 at 5:51pm

Originally posted by turnturtle

That's true Rick- and one of the changes on the RS500 prototype to was add
more volume into the rear end of the boat so it could accommodate a crew
profile that wasn't 'optimised' the way a successful fireball or 470 team are
set up.

That may be so but the crew is still on the wire and that is where you need your weight.

I'm now 2 stone heavier than when I helmed a Fireball; these days I just would be too heavy :-(
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Interesting thread and some good points and talking points. All sports
change and evolve over time and sailing is no different. Over the last 20
years some big changes have occurred, the obvious one is the SMOD
class growth.
One not discussed here is the lottery funding for Olympic classes and
how that has changed the landscape. 20 years ago Olympic hopefuls
were most likely working for sail lofts and hopping around different
classes, boosting their numbers and their profiles. As most Olympic
classes were double handed so were the classes they sailed. These days
you rarely see them out of their chosen dinghy class.
Being a reasonably normal size person myself, I wanted to point out that
you don't need to be small to helm a 505, the helm weight range for the
top ten at the last Worlds was between 11 and 13 stone with crews
between 14 and 16 stone.
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Originally posted by Mike Holt

Being a reasonably normal size person myself, I wanted to point out that
you don't need to be small to helm a 505, the helm weight range for the
top ten at the last Worlds was between 11 and 13 stone with crews
between 14 and 16 stone.

505s look great in a big sea & breeze.

How much does a fully pimped up new 505 cost these days?
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Originally posted by Mike Holt

, I wanted to point out that
you don't need to be small to helm a 505, the helm weight range for the
top ten at the last Worlds was between 11 and 13 stone with crews
between 14 and 16 stone.

My dream of being a 505 helm down the pan   Crewing for me

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According to the P&B web site £16k for an Ovington/Rondar boat. The
Aussies are selling Far East Boote 505's for approx US$18k.
Used obviously cheaper!
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I don't think you need to be small to helm a Flying Dutchman, either...but you do need to be rather bigger than average to crew one at top level.
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Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by oldarn

The demise of the 2 person single trapeze boat has not been helped by some of the symmetrical kited ones trying to up their appeal. The 5o5 by increasing kite size has almost killed the possibility of a female crew.

But the stats don't seem to support any such demise... *All* trapeze sailing is down, but its two string classes that seem to have really suffered. As for possibility of female crews in 505s: I nearly choked on my mug of coffee and sacrificed another keyboard: I don't know where you were sailing in the 70s, but whereever I was female crews in FiveOhs were very rare birds indeed...


In answer to your query,  I was sailing 5o5s,  and yes I remember a few rare birds. Robin Whittle's wife for one, and she did not hang up the her harness until 2000, ie 40 years crewing in a 5o5!.

I am equating boats that females can crew to boats that are just easier to crew, and there are few of them, thus  a contributing factor to the demise in two person sailing. I suggest that those new to sailing and who would prefer to crew are put off by the apparent and real difficulty in crewing the big kited and not so big kited but powerful boats such as the 400.
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Interesting that people are complaining about being too big for modern dinghies. Would tose be the same people who are trying to get rid of the Heavywight Single-handed and Heavyweight Two- handed classes in the Olympics?

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I see that the Mirrors only had 37 entries at their Nationals last weekend - the lowest turnout in a very long time. By contrast, the RS Fevas have a record entry of 120 for theirs (go Tim & Jack!). Even the Cadets had 81 at their event (not the Nationals). Anyone know why the Mirrors are so low this year? Are the Worlds here later in the summer, or this a glimpse of the future?  It is hard to imagine many children growing up in asymmetrics will switch to conventional kites later in life.
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Originally posted by gordon

Interesting that people are complaining about being too big for modern dinghies. Would tose be the same people who are trying to get rid of the Heavywight Single-handed and Heavyweight Two- handed classes in the Olympics?

Gordon


It may be significant, however, that for decades leading Finnsters made public and on-the-record comments that indicated they didn't give half a hoot for light sailors.

Since for years the class' leading lights completely ignored the issue of weight equity, what right do they have to bring it up now?
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