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    Posted: 23 Apr 20 at 10:13pm
I am hoping they can drop the essential travel only. This will allow most to get back sailing at their local venue. You can probably run the odd evening serieswith changing in the car park and no access to the club. Evwnts do look scuppered for months though.
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Government employer guidelines state if you can't maintain social distance, you have to turn your heads away from each other, doesn't make sense, I can understand this for essential work, not sure about non essential work.

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Originally posted by Wiclif

With regard to the championship situation I think that the driver here will be the availability of food and accommodation, rather than the actual racing organisation.

Sorry, wrong.

1) However we dress it up people rigging boats on the hard constitutes a gathering. 15 boats = 30 people.

2) Will the club be able to open for briefing and prizegiving?

3) Will the local pubs/restaurants be open?

4) Will the local tourist industry be taking bookings?

5) Will the harbour authority allow the event?

6) Is it right to bring people from all over the country to a small seaside town?

7) Bearing in mind the above, will the fleet support the event?

I am an advocate of getting some sort of sailing back ASAP. I do believe that even under current restrictions limited free sailing is possible at some locations within the rules and should not necessarily be discouraged (location based etc as done to death already - sorry to some of you, we will have to agree to disagree,)

An open meeting or championship is a different thing entirely. I cannot see a way of running a meaningful championship event that people will want to go this summer knowing what we know currently. For the events not yet cancelled time is running out :(


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Moving back to sailing, I would like to make a couple of comments.

The first is that it would be very easy to move the maximum racing wind limit downwards so that rescue services are required less often

Secondly, to educate sailors on how they can look after themselves if things go wrong. Nowadays, a sailors first reaction on something going wrong is to look around for the rescue boat.  A lot of the times that is not necessary.

To give some examples.  Many many years ago. I was at a 505 championship and our rudder blade broke.  No rescue boat could be seen, and we were about a mile and a half away from the shore.  By the time we got back to the shore we had become reasonably proficient in sailing without a rudder.  It is possible to get upwind in silly wind condition without much difficulty, by raising the centreboard if necessary.  If you want to go downwind there are two ways of doing this. One is to take the mainsail down, and the other is to completely lift the centreboard / daggerboard and just sit and wait and allow yourself to be blown far enough downwind until you can cope.  A spare length of rope and some spare split rings can deal with a lot of gear failure problems.

With regard to the championship situation I think that the driver here will be the availability of food and accommodation, rather than the actual racing organisation.
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Ah, the News. Of course the News is propaganda. It was during the WW's and always will be in times of crises -  a bit of doom and gloom mixed with a healthy dose of  It Will Be All Right On the Night  ;-)

You dont want the masses knowing the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Economical truth is just fine

Hate to say it, as she irritates me, but Nicola "Independence, Independence" Sturgeon was actually right today in her "realism" speech about a very, very gradual and controlled return to some form of normality - but not the same normality.



be interesting to see the wee-Kranky's independent-Scottish-economy figures based on a negative oil price
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Well said... personally im in favour of a massive clamp down of Corp tax avoidance to pay this all back. Literally shut Starbucks down, refuse to let them reopen, until they pay.

When I was a lad, doing my Accountancy training, a big issue with international clients was the risk of the taxman deeming the pricing between the UK operating business and overseas holding company to be un-commercial and set purely for profit-shifting purposes. If so HMRC would do their own assessment fo a fair cost, and bill for Corporation Tax based on the higher profit figure.


I still don’t understand why this process disappeared but I suspect it was an EU based levelling. Hopefully, post Brexit, we can start telling, Google, Apple, Dell  and M**rosoft, to name but 4 that purport to sell goods from Eire, that we are going back to the old rules. It’s not like a Mac or Dell ever goes anywhere near Dublin on its way from China to my desk.


Likewise the IP and licensing charges Amazon, Starbucks et al use to profit shift gets kicked out of the window. It’s an easy sum. They know the sales delivered into the UK as a proportion of worldwide sales. If the UK is 10% of sales, they get taxed on 10% of worldwide profit (probably plus a bit as we always get overcharged compared to the US)


The Oompa-lumpa President might not like it, but he could well out by then anyway.


We also used to have a lower Corporation Tax rate for smaller business (tax profit below £300k)


About time HMRC grew some balls, started picking on organisations its own size (no sweetheart deals like they did with Vodafone) and stopped the bullying 
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MSM news is at war with tech for ad revenues... watch The Morning Show, very insightful (and Aniston is still insanely hot)
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Ah, the News. Of course the News is propaganda. It was during the WW's and always will be in times of crises -  a bit of doom and gloom mixed with a healthy dose of  It Will Be All Right On the Night  ;-)

You dont want the masses knowing the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Economical truth is just fine

Hate to say it, as she irritates me, but Nicola "Independence, Independence" Sturgeon was actually right today in her "realism" speech about a very, very gradual and controlled return to some form of normality - but not the same normality.




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Originally posted by ttc546

Who here has the ability and the balls to say: (No one here for sure)

We are going to war with country X and the allowable casualties are Y and the risk to the economy is Z

Whatever the government does, whoever is in power, I wouldn’t want to be making those kinda decisions about the virus vs the economy. It’s a NoWin situation. I understand both perspectives perfectly, but some on here clearly don’t.

Still, I love all the arm chair expert pontificating being postured here 😉

At least the sun is shining. Would be worse if it was winter...

As I understand it, there is already a formula that values, in Pounds-shillings-and-pence, human life (and quality thereof), used by NICE to decide on the availability of drugs and treatment on the NHS. It's a vaguely hidden part of the inevitable rationing a free-at-the-point-of-supply system requires, no matter how much money is thrown at it. To save googling, they reckon a 'quality adjusted life year" (QALY) is worth £20,000-£30,000.



Going to war is slightly different, in that it's it's all very well modelling the military campaign (isn't it rule 1 that military campaign plans always fly out of the window on first contact with the enemy? Pretty much what happened on 23rd March) but recent history has surely taught us it's more important to model what comes afterwards. Then put plans in place accordingly. 



The civil-service's modelling on any of this stuff has been appalling in recent times though, whether its wars in the middle east, the treasury's apocalyptic economic predictions if the populace dared vote for Brexit or Neal Ferguson's 3-strikes-and-time-he-left-the-crease on Foot and Mouth, BSE and now this. I'll gloss over hopeless wind-guru et al weather forecasting never mind the whole climate-change thing.



We also are suffering from what-doesn't-get-measured-doesn't-get-done (Lord help me, but I'm agreeing here with what GRF is saying). These aren't unforeseen consequences, they are ignored-consequences - the result will be, inevitably, they will bite us in the arse at some point.



Also, absolute numbers taken in isolation are useless indicators; context is essential but the media clearly prefer the sensationalism and/or think we won't do as we are bid if they gave a balanced view. Is it just me thinks the news is simply propaganda and manipulation at the moment?
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Originally posted by turnturtle

Well said... personally im in favour of a massive clamp down of Corp tax avoidance to pay this all back. Literally shut Starbucks down, refuse to let them reopen, until they pay.

For those types of companies you refer to - Yes.
From my own personal perspective ... I run my own Ltd company ... I would like my CT to be deferred for a while ....


Good news - you will be able to, there's an HMRC hotline for it.

I also plan to my Ltd company... probably, depends on cf planning
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