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    Posted: 26 Feb 14 at 10:54am
okay- managed it, I've found something to raise a negative/loaded question... it took a while, but....

wtf is that hole drilled sideways through the bow for?
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Just a few more pictures from the factory.  This is the boat that visitors to stand G30 at the Dinghy Show can take a look at.  Come and say hello and let us tell you all about the D-Zero  Smile  You can book a demo, place an order at the Dinghy Show offer or just do some window shopping!








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Originally posted by craiggo

Eh!

What requisite costs are you talking about for an OK. A decent example with tin rig can be had for £1500 and for a couple of grand you'd buy yourself a shiny new carbon spar and new rags.


Hell! I've got a good composite boat with tin rig and matched sail that I'd let go for far less than that! (not being used and could do with a quick deck strip and varnish).
OKs are awesome!
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a new one is about 8ish last time I checked.  I don't really like other people's old tat.... doesn't stop it being a spreadsheet only option around here though.  I guess I could follow the Dart 15s and a 49er around and pretend to myself it was proper racing...

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Eh!

What requisite costs are you talking about for an OK. A decent example with tin rig can be had for £1500 and for a couple of grand you'd buy yourself a shiny new carbon spar and new rags.
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I'm sure they can... trouble is no one else sails them in any great numbers nearby.

D-Zero / RS Aero aside, the OK and Finn would be right up there... but neither justify spending their requisite costs just to bum around a spreadsheet fleet.
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Originally posted by Neptune

Streaker for the Lardy! Blimey you need to eat, not just more, but eat full stop, the streaker is a tiny person boat

Oh .. yes.  Too right.  Steve Cockrell is rather good in them.  I always thought they were old fashioned lasers for bigger people.  Now I find they're more Lightening 368y.  Thanks for the correction.

.. and a concise and intelligent reply from the designer himself. I'm honoured.  Looking forward to a look on Saturday.

27 unarig single handed hikers in the PY list, now two more.  It's an even more crowded house than I thought, and yet still not everyone can find one they like! Confused


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'Zero' that was the name of my Mirror back in the day. Sail number was 54321.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote scotsfinn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Feb 14 at 2:31pm
Originally posted by Daniel Holman

Originally posted by NickA

Pretty shape .... but what's it's niche, its "USP"?
Where's it's market slot compared to say:
the RS Aero, Redeye and the SuperNova?  (lightweight foam-epoxy for middle weights)
<span style="line-height: 1.4;">Byte CII, Europe and Splash (for the lightweights)</span>
<span style="line-height: 1.4;">Phantoms, Finns and Streakers (for the lardy)</span>
<span style="line-height: 1.4;">Lasers (for the stuck in the muds)</span>
<span style="line-height: 1.4;">Solos (for the elderly .... and Mike Sims </span> Wink<span style="line-height: 1.4;"> </span><span style="line-height: 1.4;">)</span>
<span style="line-height: 1.4;">OKs (for ermm . what IS an OK?)</span>
etc
etc
 
<span style="line-height: 1.4;">There seem to be an awful lot of single sail, hiking single handers in the world today.  Is this one special?</span>


Hi,
I envisage that you could be fully competitive across a range of conditions from 70 to 90kgs
and as such the D zero is a natural competitor to all of those boats - with the exception of the medium to larger Finn / phant sailors and smaller streaker/splash/Europe sailors.
To talk of usp is maybe a little myopic. There are no gimmicks per se to differentiate for the sake of differentiation, more a progressive philosophy of trying to do a lot of things a little bit better.
All of the classes quoted above with the exception of the RS aero existed in 2005 when I had some cash and wanted a "performance beachboat for the 21st century." Maybe if the aero had existed I could have saved myself some work!
Anyway, I didn't feel catered for by any of these boats due to some combination of shortcomings in the areas of: performance; total cost of ownership; weight; ergonomics; cost; styling etc.
Having sailed lasers at a decent level for a decade, I understood and enjoyed the techniques and the style of sailing, but also the value of off the beach leisure versatility and robustness. I guess I looked at doing a boat to a similar brief 40 years on, unhindered by baggage of legacy min weights, half century old material tech, class rules, a design that must be realisable in sheet plywood etc.
I am realistic that no boat can be all things to all men, but that good design is about intelligent management of compromises. As such I hope that it will be of interest to a lot of sailors.
Dan

Great resopnse Dan - spot - on .  

For me it'd probably be the Finn (again) or D-one - but that is because I weigh 95kg, but the D Zero looks great and I'm sure wll be great to sail.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Daniel Holman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Feb 14 at 1:59pm
Originally posted by NickA

Pretty shape .... but what's it's niche, its "USP"?
Where's it's market slot compared to say:
the RS Aero, Redeye and the SuperNova?  (lightweight foam-epoxy for middle weights)
<span style="line-height: 1.4;">Byte CII, Europe and Splash (for the lightweights)</span>
<span style="line-height: 1.4;">Phantoms, Finns and Streakers (for the lardy)</span>
<span style="line-height: 1.4;">Lasers (for the stuck in the muds)</span>
<span style="line-height: 1.4;">Solos (for the elderly .... and Mike Sims </span> Wink<span style="line-height: 1.4;"> </span><span style="line-height: 1.4;">)</span>
<span style="line-height: 1.4;">OKs (for ermm . what IS an OK?)</span>
etc
etc
 
<span style="line-height: 1.4;">There seem to be an awful lot of single sail, hiking single handers in the world today.  Is this one special?</span>


Hi,
I envisage that you could be fully competitive across a range of conditions from 70 to 90kgs
and as such the D zero is a natural competitor to all of those boats - with the exception of the medium to larger Finn / phant sailors and smaller streaker/splash/Europe sailors.
To talk of usp is maybe a little myopic. There are no gimmicks per se to differentiate for the sake of differentiation, more a progressive philosophy of trying to do a lot of things a little bit better.
All of the classes quoted above with the exception of the RS aero existed in 2005 when I had some cash and wanted a "performance beachboat for the 21st century." Maybe if the aero had existed I could have saved myself some work!
Anyway, I didn't feel catered for by any of these boats due to some combination of shortcomings in the areas of: performance; total cost of ownership; weight; ergonomics; cost; styling etc.
Having sailed lasers at a decent level for a decade, I understood and enjoyed the techniques and the style of sailing, but also the value of off the beach leisure versatility and robustness. I guess I looked at doing a boat to a similar brief 40 years on, unhindered by baggage of legacy min weights, half century old material tech, class rules, a design that must be realisable in sheet plywood etc.
I am realistic that no boat can be all things to all men, but that good design is about intelligent management of compromises. As such I hope that it will be of interest to a lot of sailors.
Dan
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