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    Posted: 12 Sep 18 at 12:04pm
I too have a soft spot for the Enterprise and the things that make it such a joy in the light stuff are exactly the things that make it a handful offwind in a blow. No need to modernise IMHO apart from the obvious stuff that was done years ago like alloy masts and FRP hulls. I would have voted against the spinnaker for class racing too. The Enterprise fills a niche that boats like the Icon and Tasar tried to take on and is still far more popular and common than with of them.
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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

I too have a soft spot for the Enterprise and the things that make it such a joy in the light stuff are exactly the things that make it a handful offwind in a blow. No need to modernise IMHO apart from the obvious stuff that was done years ago like alloy masts and FRP hulls. I would have voted against the spinnaker for class racing too. The Enterprise fills a niche that boats like the Icon and Tasar tried to take on and is still far more popular and common than with of them.

 that's a pretty fair assessment  of the Ent 

the one  thing about the Ent  that i have always disliked is  the deck stepped  mast ,  for a 'solid' rig   a deck stepped  mast  just makes  the  actual process of rigging rather harder and fraught  than a  keel stepped  mast.  
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The only thing I don't like is when you capsize and can't get the water out.
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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

Tasar

Very, very nice boat the Tasar and a great shame it never took off in the UK.  I've still got the O&M manual that came with mine.  Really enjoyed sailing it with my kids as it was well mannered and dead easy to sail with a youngster or novice crew.  The rotating rig was a delight.  It was pretty quick for a two sail boat and I see its current PY is 1015 which makes it quicker than a raft of boats like the Scorpion, Lark, GP14, RS200 etc and certainly much quicker than an Ent.  It's even quicker than a Blaze with all its scaffolding outriggers! I remember it was a bit sticky in the light stuff but get your weight forward and tilt the hull over a bit and it went ok.
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Originally posted by boatshed

Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

Tasar
Very, very nice boat the Tasar and a great shame it never took off in the UK.  

40 boats at the nationals at HISC, worlds here next year. I wouldn't say it's doing too bad!

I think on a very enclosed venue an Ent is still very well suited. Light shifty winds and roll tacking your way around a gravel pit is it's thing. But can also be taken out on the sea.

Tasar sticks quite a bit in the light, and I think the hard chine and wide transom, plus having to tack the mast, make it a little less appealing for the really restricted venues. But, above 10 knots, a very efficient boat around a course. 

 
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Originally posted by zippyRN

  always disliked is  the deck stepped  mast ,  for a 'solid' rig   a deck stepped  mast  just makes  the  actual process of rigging rather harder and fraught  than a  keel stepped  mast.  
 

Disagree, you can't be doing it right.
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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

I too have a soft spot for the Enterprise and the things that make it such a joy in the light stuff are exactly the things that make it a handful offwind in a blow. No need to modernise IMHO apart from the obvious stuff that was done years ago like alloy masts and FRP hulls. I would have voted against the spinnaker for class racing too. The Enterprise fills a niche that boats like the Icon and Tasar tried to take on and is still far more popular and common than with of them.

If you look at the nationals attendance table for 2 person boats with no kite you will find Tasar top.

Plus it is an International class ...makes it the best in that category IMHO.

If it had a European builder like Ovi it would be even bigger.
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Originally posted by JimC

Laser 2 sail numbers exceed 10,000 
 

Yes, but sail numbers don't always track the number of boats build in SMOD classes ...

I am sure the L2 was numerous but 10000+? 
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Originally posted by 423zero

The only thing I don't like is when you capsize and can't get the water out.

Then buy a Rondar Mk3, not quite self draining maybe but a big improvement on trad designs (but, apparently there are trade offs with the higher cockpit floor). 
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Originally posted by L123456

Originally posted by JimC

Laser 2 sail numbers exceed 10,000 
 

Yes, but sail numbers don't always track the number of boats build in SMOD classes ...

I am sure the L2 was numerous but 10000+? 

According to the CA, the first L2 sold was numbered 450 (in 1979), @10500 was the first boat sold in 2000. I don't suppose they'll have sold that many since but it still adds up to 10k+ boats worldwide.
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