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Totally agree. Case in point right now, the 200 and Solo Nats are on at the same time. I know many sailors sail both. |
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Well if you don't try anything different you'll get the same outcome - small and dwindling turnouts. Sorry, but this stove piped outlook is why the rot sets in. Satisfying the 6 sailors you have rather than enticing the 60 million potential ones you don't. |
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iiiiitick ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 19 May 15 Online Status: Offline Posts: 240 |
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How does starting on the same line encourage more participation? Personally I think the more successful classes, not the super successful classes, have a clear social identity. Lightning do ok because they are like a travelling club, mates together. The problem with Byte is that the identity is vague. Youth boat? Ladies boat? Lightweight boat? No clear identity. Helm age at the Nationals, 14 boats by the way, winner first, 29, 28, 14, 55, 65, 38, then the girls, 43, 24, 26, 68, 60ish. In my opinion the core of sailors should be in the 20-40 group....on slimline tonic.
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Another concern is that out of the top 30 at the 200 nationals 6 boats are from what i'd consider to be northern clubs.
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I was surprised the 200's were down on numbers this year. I expected around 100 boats as Abersoch is a fantastic venue. In fact it's my favorite, and I was gutted when I found out they'd be there. It just happened that this year I'd got a few other week long holidays which are kind of one off trips that have consumed my leave.
Personally travel for a week long event isn't much of an issue. I don't mind a day in a car for a week of sailing. Travel does put me off for opens though as it often feels like you've spent more time driving than racing. I think things go in cycles though, and often after a bumper year you see a drop off. Maybe clashing with 29er nationals cost us a few younger sailors though. What is for sure is the 200 nationals in Abersoch looked immense, and I seriously feel like I've missed out. Not sure where they will be next year, but I know I'll be there.
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Starting on the same line IS participation.
It's certainly true that if you want to be a seperate class you will need something that differentiates you from a number of similar boats. The swingers class, or the whisky chaser class, or the 20 minutes a race class or something. Otherwise you will struggle for numbers against the Radial, Solo and Aero 7 and just be a bunch of mates sailing together. Nothing wrong with that in the short term, but it's not a nice feeling having to break into a small group of well established friends and is not a path to sustainable numbers imho. |
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Null ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 May 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 745 |
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Tick, without trying to run the thread off the rails. Can i give you my feedback as an outsider of the Byte class. I feel your pain in trying to understand what it is you need to be doing to promote class growth. Whilst i am by no means an expert there are several things we in the Zero class are tying (with pockets of success) to achieve.
First of all, you are right. The Byte doesn't seem to have a real identity here in the Uk. I owned a Byte back in the early days and loved it. Much better than a Topper and a Laser of its day. It was however hampered from my perspective. It used o sail off a PY similar to a Solo. So as a sailor not interested in the, what was then emerging squad scene. I often was deflated being thrashed by old boys in Solos. Sure they sailed better than me, but the speed difference was striking. We even loaned the boat to one of our Solo hotshots who laughed at the speed difference. I sold the boat and moved into a Laser, massively overpowered, however it taught me so much more. Nowadays i just don't know where the byte fits. Its a lovely looking boat. But i have no idea about the fleet demographic. What weight range it offers or even what type of competition it offers. If you look at other single handed classes, which i guess you would call 'successful' they all have some form of identity. Secondly other than your input on this forum, i hear nothing from the builder, the class or its sailors. This is something that needs to be addressed. It doesn't need to even cost any money. The class needs to put itself into the spot light. Why do no Bytes turn up to any of the winter handicaps? Perhaps rally the troops now for a push. Also Y&Y, facebook, twitter. Start chucking out some interesting and fun content. Get people seeing the byte. Perhaps the class could run a competition for the best video footage. Demo days??? Do they exist? get people in the boat. If i really is as good as you say it is the only way to sell something is to get people to try and buy in to it. I must stress, the only real way to gain traction in this market place nowadays is hard work! Thats from all parties involved. You need a class association with volunteers who are willing to go the extra mile and i don't just mean fulfilling their role. Going above and beyond. The builder or dealer needs to support and push! Finally you need to think out side of the box. Perhaps change the style of racing you offer. I am working on various things with the Zero's to help develop our offering in to something people want to participate in, be a part of. Something that makes people want to travel. Again, these are just my thoughts. I know how difficult it is. Especially when the class is small. But hard graft, a bit of luck and out of the box thinking now. Will hopefully pay dividends going forward.
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I can't think of any 200 nationals with a large northern turnout though... even north berwick didn't have that many more northern boats. You can't get away from the fact that Parkstone, HISC, Itchenor and Burghfield supply the backbone of the fleet. It would be awesome if the 200 could get a similar presence in the north. I think our asymetric, whilst adding superbly to the racing on open venues, restricts us from competing with the GP and Ent on small lakes, but I don't know why the class hasn't been more successful on larger lakes and coastal clubs in the north... HISC has traditionally been more a family fleet and as such we've always had 30-50 boats at the very chilled fed week but have only sent 3-5 boats to the nationals. We've been steadily sending more boats to the nationals each year, and excluding last year (home event) Abersoch is largest ever contingent from HISC! |
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iiiiitick ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 19 May 15 Online Status: Offline Posts: 240 |
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I agree with all this Null. The builder, Hartley have enthusiasim but are in it for the big picture. RYA acceptance which will produce bulk sales. They have been very good with discounts and boat development but tend to go forward on their own. They have also had family problems recently. The class association is rather archaic but a small class has limited options for association officials. I do my best with promotion and the facebook page will soon be updated with new photographs and information. Hartley do have demonstration boats available...but we do not know where they are. Should any one want a go just contact me! Lastly I have an instagram page. byte_sailng_uk which seems quite popular. I am determined to make this work! Even if I bore you all to tears!
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Apologies if i came across as bashing the 200 - it wasn't intended. As a northerner it just frustrates me on the lack of any sailing from any classes north of the north wales coastline (or even birmingham coming to think of it). I know the population densities/number of clubs/lovely south coast sailing is against it, its just sometimes i wonder whether we're an untapped market if the right boat came along? Maybe just a dream but i know of a lot of northern small lakes where sailors don't want to sail a GP/Ent/Laser but haven't got much choice else from the class associations. |
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