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    Posted: 13 Apr 06 at 4:04pm
Originally posted by Scooby_simon

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As it looks like the sailing in China will be light, any country fancy entering women in the Finn/Tornado etc as they will be lighter ?

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Originally posted by laser47

because the fact of the matter is we're smaller than you guys. while you can fly around in a finn or a laser classic in pretty much anything women would struggle to keep it upright unless we resembled some eastern european "helga the horrible" figure.

hey this brings me onto why the open class is now the finn dinghy, a dingy which most men would stuggle to sail, surely its a way of squeezing another mens singlehander into the olympics without being called sexist for it. why was the finn switched and not the europe?

That classification is ridiculous- i don't know any 98kg women!

I think there should be a variety of classes spanning different weight, and no restrictions to which sex enters- it would mean both men and women could have a chance to compete in every type of boat, and whilst in the finn, laser etc. no women would qualify, in the 470, radial, 49er I think there would be a lot of women making the grade.

At least if the MPS gets in make it "open".
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making everything open may run the risk of isolating sailing from other olympic sports because all the rest have womens and mens and some have mixed categories (e.g mens 100m, womens 100m, mixed relay (not sure bout last one)). if we were to say there you go everyone can compete in anything it might be a good idea to give the overall winner a medal (mixed (class here)) the first women a medal and the firdst man a medal. im not sure how this would work for double handed boats if you have mixed crew though.
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Not all sports are divided into male and female events. The equestrian events are truly open. If there were no womens events in sailing we could have weight categories - adjusted so that some categories would have mainly women, some would be 50/50 and others mainly men (but with some pretty impressive women). It would also mean that we could bring back a true 2 man heavy weight class...one that 2 Finn sailors or two rugby forwards could sail together...

 

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Dont you think that women have more of a disadvantage as they are weaker than men rather than lighter?

As a petite girl I find that I can keep up with boys for the vast majority of the time except for that annoying window where they stay full power and I'm not.  It is more the fact that to do it I am having to work my ass off 3 times harder than the boys, in the windy stuff I need 2 hands to do the mainsheet sometimes!

I admit that I could do with going down the gym a bit more often, but i think it would be unfair to ignore the strength issue and simply go for weight oriented classes.
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Originally posted by Strawberry

Originally posted by Scooby_simon

(idea from left field)

As it looks like the sailing in China will be light, any country fancy entering women in the Finn/Tornado etc as they will be lighter ?

Genius! Give the man a medal!

I am sure we'll see some unusually light crews entered - the 49er looks like the best option to send in the featherweights ...

Bit of a punt but the outlook is pretty poor for wind so if you don't have a ISAF ranked sailor in your country why not try it?

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there's qualification too. if the qualification regattas are strong wind they wont have little/light sailors in bejing.

Personally i don't find weakness a problem. I can hold my ground against most of the young male sailors i've competed against in pretty much any wind stregnth up to manicly windy (and from what you said Elmo you can too) they genrally have more height and weight (leverage for hiking) which makes the whole thing easier as well as having a leaner body composition

 
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Originally posted by laser47

there's qualification too. if the qualification regattas are strong wind they wont have little/light sailors in bejing.

I believe the country has to qualify, and it doesn't have to be the person who qualified the country who goes to the games. It would surely make sense to run selection trials in the conditions expected - and one has to assume that anyone talented enough to win in that stuff will be able to hold their own if the wind does pick up a little?
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If you're lighter than the lads you sail against- as long as you're not too light for the boat it shouldn't be too much of a disadvantage- you'll catch up offwind- and go quicker in the lighter stuff.
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Originally posted by Harry44981

i don't know any 98kg women!

You've led a sheltered life then, apparently. 



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