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rodney 
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 Topic: New Olympic events.Posted: 10 Nov 18 at 9:14am |
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Spoilsport! I reckon that a kite race around Hayling would be a great plan as even I would turn out to see the kites flying over the bridge at Northney
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Sam.Spoons
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Posted: 10 Nov 18 at 9:08am |
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IMO the decline in windsurf racing in the UK has followed a general decline in the sport as a whole as people go on to try the 'latest new thing', combined with the introduction of classes like Formula Windsurfing with it's 12m sails and the introduction of larger Raceboard sail sizes replacing the 7.5m rig. The effect of these changes made racing more physical and left some sailors unable/unwilling to achieve the fitness levels required.
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Chris 249
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Posted: 10 Nov 18 at 9:03am |
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I think your last line is the one that applies in the events when we mixed boards and boats! While the class rules are effectively the one that is handicapped, as far as I know strictly speaking it's illegal to use a trap unless allowed in the SIs, class rules or no class rules. Isn't it like ocean racing, where IRC allows canting keels but you still have to give canters a dispensation in the SIs? I've also never known any club to bother to write in the trapeze dispensation since it's completely accepted! So if boards were seen as cheats then the guys running those clubs would also be in the frame for using traps, as far as I know. I think we both agree that in most cases, racing such disparate craft under yardstick can only ever be seen as fun and not something where strict rules of this type can really apply. I know that if I raced my Windsurfer One Design or LT (the original board and the new version, very popular down here and in Italy) against a sailor of similar ability on a dinghy or Raceboard, it would all get down to the luck of the wind. Edited by Chris 249 - 10 Nov 18 at 9:09am |
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Posted: 10 Nov 18 at 8:44am |
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Trapeze are allowed in their class rules. Its effectively the class rules which is handicapped. Free pumping is allowed in the SIs (through declaring it a windsurf race or through pumping flags). If the club racing don't have a change to the illegal propulsion rule then its cheating, no matter which class. RS SIs for opens allow touching of marks and 360 turns instead of 720... doesn't mean we can do that in races not held under those SIs. But for the purpose of a bit of fun I guess it's okay if no one objects. It's only handicap racing after all. |
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Chris 249
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Posted: 10 Nov 18 at 3:12am |
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About the numbers of windsurfers; in Germany for example there's 250 windsurfers in the ranking lists, and that's not counting RSX or Tandem. Compare that to about 200 skiffs and it's not too bad. In Oz, there's maybe three times as many active racing windsurfers as "heavyweight" singlehanders, or more. So looking around the world it seems that the windsurfers have a right to a medal.
Of course, when windsurfing was selected it was about ten times as big, which really underlines why kiting isn't the same. The main strength boards have in the Games is their appeal in "smaller" nations, isn't it? People like Gal Fridman, Nikos, Tony Philp and Lei Lai Shan became famous for their Olympic sailing in countries where sailing is little known.
We don't pump upwind in the Australian Windsurfer One Design class. No one cheats. These days when rescue boats can easily video the racers, pumping should be easy to control. Pumping is illegal under RRS but so are trapezes (Rule 49, I think) so if people can sail Fireballs in club races why can't windsurfers pump? Both just need a dispensation under the SIs. It does give the boards an enormous advantage in glassy calms when they can move when everyone else is stopped, but then again in light winds it evens out their performance profile. Alternatively, we used to ban pumping on Raceboards in twilight racing and no one cheated so it can be done! Edited by Chris 249 - 10 Nov 18 at 8:16am |
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Cirrus
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Why don't you try to look positively and accept they are just a different class that use different techniques. No problem if that's your drift - do your own stuff ... but no PN, no 'equal' handicap involvement and no different techniques allowed just cos you have 'stand-up'. You 'wind rower' types never got it did you .... and prevailed over competitive numbers that heading south for years without ever really understanding what was going on .... In fact you caused the rapid decline to an obvious and major extent.
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iGRF
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Posted: 09 Nov 18 at 8:14pm |
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Dinghies are for old people, which is why I took it up in my sixties. But the facts remain you can pump all you like but if it's on the wrong shift you'll be screwed just the same as anyone else.
So much nonesense spouted here. Windsurfers pump, but you b**tards rock and ooch and hang your butts right over the side and in some classes pump your arses harder than us. Why don't you try to look positively and accept they are just a different class that use different techniques. |
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GarethT
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Posted: 09 Nov 18 at 7:51pm |
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And I bet I’d still count as a youngster in most club fleets.
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sargesail
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Posted: 09 Nov 18 at 7:44pm |
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Yeah, old people like his Dad!😉 |
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GarethT
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Posted: 09 Nov 18 at 7:18pm |
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He did helm a Tasar last winter, but he’s a windsurfer.
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I'm not so sure though when there is enough wind for sails to be constantly filled. 
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