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    Posted: 25 Jan 18 at 9:08pm
Originally posted by turnturtle

http://www.marinebusinessworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=882&PN=1&title=is-dinghy-sailing-on-the-decline

Not sure if you were trying to support the point I was making or not....?

Did you mean it to point to the Y&Y thread?  Or something else?

But in any case that is a 12 year old thread.....which has one reference to a radio programme with an RYA employee or volunteer stating that sailing is seeing reduced numbers but power boating is on the up - wonder what fuel costs did to that?

And then a reference to a Probono Mckinsey report which was once on the RYA website, but is no more....

The author of SNAKES must be lurking: show us the evidence for your assertions!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote 423zero Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Jan 18 at 7:38pm
Nice post Peaky +1
Mess about in boats and out, as much fun to be had falling in.
plenty of tech and faffing.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Jan 18 at 6:35pm
Actually, I am sure sailing will continue to thrive, because there is nothing else like it.   No other sport/leisure activity offers the same mix of attractions.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote turnturtle Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Jan 18 at 5:11pm
I live in a city with ‘Boris Bikes’- they’re bloody brilliant. Combined with good public transport infrastructure, taxi apps and the occasional car rental, we don’t actually own a car there anymore- it does mean my sailing there is now a fixed location; but it’s a 25 minute cycle through a park, so I’m not really sure I could be arsed to load a car up to go somewhere else anyway.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote zippyRN Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Jan 18 at 11:06am
Originally posted by maxibuddah

They probably only feel there is no need for a car if they live in a big town or city with good infrastructure meaning they don't have to pay 10 times the value of the car in insurance premiums. I would imagine those premiums are the single biggest turn off from owning a car rather than directly from a society driven change. Society is changing because of it. It will though have a knock on to any activity that is not local


exactly ...  

motor insurance premiums for young , inexperienced rivers are ludicrous ...  so more and people  do wait  and if they stay in the TfL bubble  or  one  of the cities ina PTE area  there;s less and less  need ... 

meanwhile in the wretched provinces where  public transport funding  is being spunked on vanity projects  ( Lincoln's  Boris bikes  anyone ?  hugely biased placement of  docking stations )
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Post Options Post Options   Quote zippyRN Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Jan 18 at 11:02am
Originally posted by 423zero

Not exactly sure what you think is wrong with RYA approach ? 
What would you do instead ?
I have actually done RYA level 1& 2, people who are slating RYA approach, have you actually done courses yourselves ?
I enjoyed course, centre where I did my course actively encouraged people to join a sailing club and to take up racing, I was given a list of clubs and contact details for best person to talk to.
I can't see how centre where I did my course could improve ?


 A lto of those knocking  the 'RYA approach' knock it based on a presumption that level 1 and 2 will be taught is poorly equipped and spec'ed lower performance boats and/or in Simplified rig WayBarges or BoSwines ... 

25 years ago  that might have  been the case , but  also by then  sailing schools  were also learning that  throwing  kids and  teens out  on the water in Toppers and the like  also worked pretty damn well  at  L1/2 ...

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Post Options Post Options   Quote iGRF Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Jan 18 at 10:56am
It seems lots of traditional sports activities are allegedly in decline, Golf clubs casting about for members where once there were waiting lists Tennis Clubs, Squash clubs all the activities our generation grew up with seem to be struggling as latter day snowflakes look elsewhere for their bite sized instant gratification.
Dinghy sailing in my world and sphere of influence hasn't declined but then the sports we moved from has (windsurfing), the world is fluid, so the watch word is continue promotion of the activity you love and endeavour to enthuse others. Which is why some of us are so passionate about overcoming those negative elements that reduce the pleasure of the activity not only for ourselves but those that would join us.

We may be doing ok in the couple of small clubs I belong to, but the loss of Bewl casts a long shadow in our area, that was a big club to just disappear and not enough was done to fight for it in my view. We have lost the RYA many of us knew of old, the avuncular bunch of volunteer committee enthusiasts, the Jenny Currys, the Edmund Whelands that would rush to our aid are gone and replaced with a PC corporation more akin to a quasi Government department bent on burying us with bureaucracy, replacing us with 'professional' schools to provide jobs for the output from their commercial school 'graduate' programmes, than assisting amateurs promote their sport via their local club.

All we can do is keep on carrying on and hope the next generation do pick up the reigns even if in doing so they do things differently and fill the beach with bikes and SUPS as they have done at our place, but better that than the place closed, ripped down and another block of luxury flats going up to fill the local councils coffers.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote maxibuddah Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Jan 18 at 10:56am
As for the rya training, nearly all adults that come to our club wasn't official training. The days of just getting something and jumping in it and finding out for yourself are gone it would seem.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote maxibuddah Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Jan 18 at 10:54am
They probably only feel there is no need for a car if they live in a big town or city with good infrastructure meaning they don't have to pay 10 times the value of the car in insurance premiums. I would imagine those premiums are the single biggest turn off from owning a car rather than directly from a society driven change. Society is changing because of it. It will though have a knock on to any activity that is not local
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Post Options Post Options   Quote NickM99 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Jan 18 at 10:47am
Times article today (p9) suggesting significant fall off in numbers of young people feeling the need to get a licence to drive or own a car.   "It is possible that the changes in young people's travelling behaviour described are the first phase of a societal change that will continue through generations.."  If that means people will increasingly look for activities that do not need a car, that would be a cause for concern.  
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