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    Posted: 08 Sep 10 at 7:29pm
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Yes very good..

What's worse..

Too close to the truth for comfort.. LOL


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Originally posted by AndrewLB

Originally posted by haroosh

Hey Tim, now you have taken part in d1 and 100 events this season what are your thoughts on both boats and their differences on the race course? You must be one of the only folks with the experience of both at that level.


Erm, Tim will be with you just as soon as he's climbed out of the bathtub full of ibuprofen gel . Reading the look on Tim's face when he found out that the fourth race was going to be double-distance I think the difference between them could be summarised as; one of them has some toestraps and the other one's a hiking boat.
 

Sorry been busy at work and new forum software keeps loggin me out (re-typed this 3 times)….grrrr

 

In answer to your question…

 

They are completely different boats.

I don’t say that lightly, they may fit into the “single handed hiking asymmetric” label but they couldn’t be more different if they tried.

 

I had only ever sailed the prototype 100 before that’s why I had a go.

Sailing a new boat makes a completely new set of muscles start working, and with the 10.2 rig I was certainly getting a proper work out, and after 3 races in that wind I knew I wasn’t up for another long one, but I started it, sailed the first beat (went the wrong way tbh) rounded the windward, hoisted the kite, looked behind me and saw “black” (lots more wind), in front was a wall of white (upturned hulls), I dropped the kite and limped home to nurse my aching/cramping muscles (wimp).

 

I posted one good result (6th in first race) and the rest not too far off the pace until I kept tipping it in, once just blown flat upwind rounding the leeward, and the others on the gybes, when the wings dig in you’re in trouble.

 

Trying to get through the “gate from hell” downwind to make the finish line was difficult if in a huge gust and in one race having beaten Mr Childs upwind and had a good downwind leg I gybed to make the gate, wings dug in and there I sat, spinny flogging, main out to the max, me fully hiked / perched on the side, half capsized, half not, and the mob creamed passed to the finish. I had to wait until the lull so I could flatten it off (spinny still hoisted) to make the finish line….grrrr

 

RS’s “Junior” wanted to borrow the boat on Sunday, so I let him have a go.

 

Funniest moment would have to be on the start line with Demo’s port biased line gap that shut with the shift and the only option was a “sambuka” induced spectacular piss in….made me chuckle.

 

The main difference would be the lack of wings on the 100, you have to keep it really flat to avoid making mistakes.

I would make the kicker and downhaul control lines longer (deffo) and thicker (maybe) as I found to get a grip I needed to wrap lines around my hand for purchase.

They needed adjusting all through the race, a lot.

 

I am not surprised that people are gravitating to the 8.4 rig, however it is obviously possible to make the 10.2 shift as well.

For info, I was sailing on hole 3 on the stays and number 4 on the “mast gate ram thing” (technical term).

If I had sailed on Sunday I would have dropped it down to hole 2 and maybe move the ram lower as well, however TBH I was maxed out on kicker so I am not sure what difference it would have made???

 

If you haven’t already done it, I thoroughly recommend the elastic on the horse at the back, it totally gets rid of the annoying mainsheet round tiller problem, if you are in the habit (and you probably are) or over steering through tacks or gybes.

 
I appreciate being given the opportunity to try and I thoroughly recommend people trying all boats, it's the only way to find out what is right for you.
 
Now I’m off to Alassio for the last Volvo Cup D-One event before Gold cup in Valencia.

 

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Originally posted by haroosh

Hey Tim, now you have taken part in d1 and 100 events this season what are your thoughts on both boats and their differences on the race course? You must be one of the only folks with the experience of both at that level.


Erm, Tim will be with you just as soon as he's climbed out of the bathtub full of ibuprofen gel . Reading the look on Tim's face when he found out that the fourth race was going to be double-distance I think the difference between them could be summarised as; one of them has some toestraps and the other one's a hiking boat.
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It would be great to see you at our next event, Draycote in
October.

Cheers

Can`t find this listed anywhere,Draycote,RS site,100.com so I assume a invite but when?
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Originally posted by ChrisC

Hi Hector (alright Keith I know its you !)

No, definately not selling my Vortex ! In a 3 and above the Vortex is great
and as you well know gives us great racing and shed loads of fun for
minimum outlay - I describe it as an "easy to sail one man 49er" !!

Just looking to expand the challenges particularly in lighter airs on my
restricted local tidal river, which is not the Vortex's strongest point
(although doesnt seem to hold back Chris T !).

Hear you have got one reserved. Any of the other boys at YDSC
considering one ?

Cheers

Chris
 
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Originally posted by ChrisC

Hi Keith,

You missed a cracking event - you should have been there. I hear you
have been out in that 'demo boat' rather a lot - has anyone else tried it
yet !!!!
I would have been except the demo boat has no mast at the moment (I sailed another one bought at our place).

As to the 8.4 v 10.2 discussion, the only conclusion is that there are no
conclusions !!
On both days there were both 8.4's and 10.2's going fast including big
guys on 8.4's and smaller guys (like me !) on 10.2's going fast also.
Sounds like it will be some time before things settle down - like they did in the RS300 fleet then - if they ever do!

Personally I wasn't having problems on the 10.2 upwind even in the big
breeze on the Sunday - the key, for me anyway, seemed to be getting the
sail flat and I used a massive amount of outhaul, which I hadn't done
before - God knows how (?) but i even managed to get first around
windward mark in one race and 3rd in the next - just a shame that I was
so totally crap at gybing ! My money was on you as the dark horse and a couple of excellent first beats show that wasn't misplaced. Second big rig is a top result. Well done mate.

The one thing I did conclude is that the 8.4's seemed to be having a
slightly easier time of it gybing, probably because of the effectively
shorter boom and less roach. The boom on the 10.2 is a total mother f--
--er when it comes across in that breeze and even worse when, as it did
to me on too many occasions, comes to the midpoint then goes back
again ! Sounds logical and mimics my experience.

There were a lot of people swimming on the downwind, particularly
where you were forced into gybing for the layline or the gate - it was
carnage on occasions and only a miracle that there weren't more
collisions.

On the final downwind, I was totally drained and sadly decided it was
actually quicker to drop the kite, tack around and then re-hoist - sad but
effective ! On the finish line I actually dropped and did a double tack
(rather than single sail gybe) and made up a place.

Plenty still to learn, which is part of what makes this boat so much fun.

The guys that won, Neal and Huw, were just f'ing good ! Neal did a total
horizon job in the final race (like you do in the Vortex !). They just looked
smooth and in control - and having fun ! Followed Huw upwind a couple
of times and he didn't actually appear to be hiking that hard the bugger !
The boat was just slipping along very nicely at it was definately more a
case of skillful sailing rather than a battle of fitness. Annoying that 'hes not hiking' look isn't it. Roger Gilbert looks like that to me - but he works hard on mainsail trim - must be something in it.

As to hiking I have started wearing hikers. Resisted to start with because
it is so comfortable but they do give you more grunt and help preserve
your thigh muscles (apologies if you already know this but I hadnt used
them previously). You dont need thick ones though. So what sort do you use - I have the Rooster type and they seem very thick - they're great for a laser as lifts you away from waves as well as releiving the pain - a bit.

Despite GRF's assertions (where were you Greame ?!) there was plenty of
socialising and a lot of beer drunk - I had a spinny head both nights !
Demo Dave definately gets the prize though for demolishing that bottle
of Sambuca (well done Jimbo - great effort !) I knew there'd be something going on - and you'd be at it!

It would be great to see you at our next event Keith - Draycote in
October. Will try - if RS can get a mast organised for the MSDS demo boat.

Cheers

Chris
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Hey Tim, now you have taken part in d1 and 100 events this season what are your thoughts on both boats and their differences on the race course? You must be one of the only folks with the experience of both at that level.
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Graeme,
Being one of the Parkstone 'pussies' I thought you'd like a response.

I find the mix of good, enjoyable, competitive sailing mixed with good socials is what makes a good event.
Having a young family who I generally don't see enough as it is makes my priorities shift from the days I used to follow most of your old school rules to trying to find a balanced mix that gives me time to enjoy sailing, social and family.

This doesn't make my view right and your view wrong, but hopefully addresses the one sided view currently on offer.

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