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    Posted: 26 Sep 14 at 10:17am
Originally posted by 2547

The three aero PYs will enevitably end up a bit of a mess due to rig switching at club level that goes unnoticed. I think many clubs will struggle to do three separate returns. 

I think it's clear that RS have deliberatly made all the sails near identical to allow/support this. 

I don't this for one minute the PY confusion has featured.  

These sails strike very much at being built down to budget to fit a built down to budget set of spars.  They appear very much to be emulating the rather fortuitous position the Laser rights owners have found themselves in- in that the competitive life of the sails may not be the same as some other RS classes in the past and sails will become highly consumable items - a three year old original 300 sail is still capable of winning a regatta in the right hands.  They are also priced with what we can surmise is a significant mark-up given the cost of lower production run replica sails for Laser dinghies in the open market.  Obviously it makes perfect commercial sense to consolidate the supply of dacron to one colour and one specification across all three rigs to maximise the buying power for their new supplier - North and therefore either a) pass on this saving to customers or b) maximise profit.  

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The bias of the dacron is utilised to meet the specified bend characteristics of the custom mast sections for each rig size.  Each sail has been carefully designed through multiple iterations to enable the whole family to race and enjoy the RS Aero platform.  It is the most revolutionary rig design in its category and they may well have taken over 6,000 enquiries from interested parties.
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Originally posted by kneewrecker

Originally posted by 2547

The three aero PYs will enevitably end up a bit of a mess due to rig switching at club level that goes unnoticed. I think many clubs will struggle to do three separate returns. 

I think it's clear that RS have deliberatly made all the sails near identical to allow/support this. 

I don't this for one minute the PY confusion has featured.  

These sails strike very much at being built down to budget to fit a built down to budget set of spars.  They appear very much to be emulating the rather fortuitous position the Laser rights owners have found themselves in- in that the competitive life of the sails may not be the same as some other RS classes in the past and sails will become highly consumable items - a three year old original 300 sail is still capable of winning a regatta in the right hands.  They are also priced with what we can surmise is a significant mark-up given the cost of lower production run replica sails for Laser dinghies in the open market.  Obviously it makes perfect commercial sense to consolidate the supply of dacron to one colour and one specification across all three rigs to maximise the buying power for their new supplier - North and therefore either a) pass on this saving to customers or b) maximise profit.  

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The bias of the dacron is utilised to meet the specified bend characteristics of the custom mast sections for each rig size.  Each sail has been carefully designed through multiple iterations to enable the whole family to race and enjoy the RS Aero platform.  It is the most revolutionary rig design in its category and they may well have taken over 6,000 enquiries from interested parties.



If the intention was to lanch 3 classes then why not make the rigs obviously visually different?

I can't see there would be that much of a cost saving on the sail cloth?
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you mean, a sail with bold colour swatches the confusion could be reduced?  
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Originally posted by kneewrecker

you mean, a sail with bold colour swatches the confusion could be reduced?  





LOL ... simple colour coding would have worked ...

As it is Aero owners can change rigs almost unnoticed ...
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Originally posted by SimonW99

Of course part of the problem is you all wanting simplicity, so masts on these boats are just poles in holes. If you have a deck mounted mast and an adjustable forestry like the Supernova, you can depower so much most people don't need to have a smaller sail.


You mean like this one, I saw it at the S'oton Boat show, gorgeous looking boat, no problem with the yardstick, just a shame about the rig..
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yep- the roach on the Supernova looks all kinds of wrong aesthetically, whereas the D-Zero... oh, yes... aesthetically knocks this and most other single handers out the ball park from every angle imho.  
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....just stick a rig on like the one on the boat next to it...... I do like that grey though. The Hartleys (Father and son) have an Osprey with a hull that colour and silver carbon decks, now that is a lovely thing.
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Originally posted by iiitick

....just stick a rig on like the one on the boat next to it...... I do like that grey though. The Hartleys (Father and son) have an Osprey with a hull that colour and silver carbon decks, now that is a lovely thing.

Ha, I thought exactly that, what a combination, the C2 rig on that boat, so why don't they? Oh let me guess something to do with a class system?
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Originally posted by iGRF

I hate to bring it back to the same old argument, but if the handicap system were more defined by the boat performance quotient than the averages of pond life, it wouldn't be a problem, the handicap would take care of it, particularly if the crew weight range were defined as part of it and there were strict guide lines appropriately used.


However the handicap system works (whether it be by averages, by VPP or by witch Doctor, it cannot allow for someone simply writing "aero" and going sailing, when there are 3 types of aero. They should have done a green sail, an orange sail and a brown sail.
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Originally posted by kneewrecker

Originally posted by 2547

The three aero PYs will enevitably end up a bit of a mess due to rig switching at club level that goes unnoticed. I think many clubs will struggle to do three separate returns. 

I think it's clear that RS have deliberatly made all the sails near identical to allow/support this. 

I don't this for one minute the PY confusion has featured.  

These sails strike very much at being built down to budget to fit a built down to budget set of spars.  They appear very much to be emulating the rather fortuitous position the Laser rights owners have found themselves in- in that the competitive life of the sails may not be the same as some other RS classes in the past and sails will become highly consumable items - a three year old original 300 sail is still capable of winning a regatta in the right hands.  They are also priced with what we can surmise is a significant mark-up given the cost of lower production run replica sails for Laser dinghies in the open market.  Obviously it makes perfect commercial sense to consolidate the supply of dacron to one colour and one specification across all three rigs to maximise the buying power for their new supplier - North and therefore either a) pass on this saving to customers or b) maximise profit.  

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The bias of the dacron is utilised to meet the specified bend characteristics of the custom mast sections for each rig size.  Each sail has been carefully designed through multiple iterations to enable the whole family to race and enjoy the RS Aero platform.  It is the most revolutionary rig design in its category and they may well have taken over 6,000 enquiries from interested parties.




That video says it all....
We have developed "The Aero" with 3 different rigs to suit different weights of helm and different conditions.

To me that says one class, pick your rig on the day, that's fine but maybe it should be a little clearer.
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