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    Posted: 04 Sep 18 at 12:35pm
Originally posted by craiggo

Why is the Laser 2 on your list, it's got a spinnaker and a trapeze, so well and truly outside of the niche you are looking at.
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The L2 was originally marketed without either, with both kite and trapeze as options.
I think this approach has been repeated with various rotoboats.
I did some team racing in L2s with neither kite nor wire, not may favourite vessel, but not evereyone is my size.
On the whole, people decided they wanted kites and wires. Or for venues where kites and/or wires didn't really pay, they seemed happy to stick with other classes. Is suspect that at many of the inland clubs where people keep saying asy's don't work, you could  race an L2 quite happily without kite or wire?
In those days of course, the Laser 2 was a pretty slick modern offering in its price bracket, had powerful marketing behind it and a certain level of buy-in from universities.
Compared with boats which basically filled with water and stopped in the event of a capsize, it was not exactly without merit.
Did they make any money from it?
Could it have stood the test of time?
Was it killed off because it clashed with other boats in Laser's range?

Or did it fall into a trap of only the kite+wire model mattering, and kite+wire people had too many other options?
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Originally posted by davidyacht

My thinking is that there are a lot of 50+ sailors who have shifted to singlehanders who might consider a second boat to sail with others, including children and grandchildren, who may be looking for something light to move around, and stylish, maintenance free, but does not require a regular crew in order to be competitive, and is not so sophisticated that you need to sail it every weekend to remember the settings.  Non-assymetric because I sail somewhere that assymetrics will never be competitive, like quite a lot of places.

It probably would be commercially non viable but this is a forum.

Good summary of my situation, which is why I ended up with an Albacore and a Phantom. I've club raced the Albacore at 30+ stone crew weight against others who were 20st crews. Apart from shore handling the Albacore strikes me as a pretty good compromise for light and heavy crews.
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If I only sailed my two hander inland I'd buy a modern FRP Ent (probably at Rondar Mk3) as it is I usually race the Blaze not the Spice.
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Do the Graduates with the modern larger sailplan carry weight well?
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Laser 2 sail numbers exceed 10,000 and they didn't start at anything very dramatic like some classes, so you have to say the class was a huge success in its day.

I'm not really sure anything has replaced it. It seems as if that end of the market has just withered. The only more modern boats on the International class are RS500, B14 and 29er, and only the 29er, which targets a slightly younger demographic, exists in any great numbers.
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Jim C - thank you.....I would have completely missed the 'bleedin obvious' if it wasn't for your post. 10,000 boats must make the Laser 2 the most successful pocket rocket ever.  This is a genre that is littered with good boats that have failed - in hindsight, the L2 succeeded  and is still popular elsewhere. But just maybe, as you pointed out, that niche was never really there in the first place, at least not here in the UK!

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Post Options Post Options   Quote iGRF Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Sep 18 at 3:51pm
Well if the day ever dawned when a double hander beckoned, I'd buy another Alto, or a V3000 if the crew likely were light. Two very under rated boats.
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Graduate carries weight rather well, a benefit of carrying a lot of rocker. When I first started sailing mine we were about 15-16st and competitive against 21-22st at the other end.
The variation in the top 5 at this year's nationals was across a similar range.
They are fantastic boats. I now have a Grad and an RS200 and the Grad is a much nicer boat to sail thanks mainly to its longer centre board, but lacks the ability to pick up and plane when its breezier (the downside of rocker).

For me Icon was a good modern progression for those outgrowing a Grad who wanted something a bit more modern than an Ent, but as mentioned previously marginal performance gain with a narrower groove and less numbers to race against is what limits new designs.

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In the UK, the L2 started to fade, so the 3000 was created to jump on the Assy bandwagon. I do wonder, had they left well alone, whether the boat would have weathered the storm like the Fireball has.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote 423zero Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Sep 18 at 8:43pm
You would think with over 10,000 boats sold their would be some semblance of a class association, nothing official happened on website since 2015, everything still works, someone posted a request for a rudder this year, no answers though.
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