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    Posted: 11 Jul 15 at 8:12pm
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It has occurred to me that making sailing clubs attractive to single parents could be a good thing. Not sure how to go about it though.
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I know of a club that tries to get its members to take the  PB2 course every 2 years , all because of the famous accident in Cardiff, not connected in any way with dinghy sailing. It costs at LEAST £ 150 to take with paid instructors.  I dont believe this is necessary. Another example of the beauracratic top down approach favoured by the RYA  To get various grants clubs have to sign up to these rules.  The lawyers are happy but they are making the sport more expensive.
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Originally posted by djdhi

The lawyers are happy but they are making the sport more expensive.


But maybe not as expensive as the lawyers make it if something goes wrong and you haven't indulged in the posterior covering exercises.

You have to think of this stuff as insurance premiums, except what you are basically covering yourselves against is getting pilloried in press and court if something goes wrong. No doubt there will come a day when accident insurance will be prohibitive without.

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Shouldn't need to take the cours every 2 years. However, direct assessment of a driver's abilities every couple of years, coupled with a chance to update skills could make a big difference. Getting people to Safety Boat standard also helps a lot. The RYA courses are excellent, and ensure people have to reached a minimum standard. However, without use, the skills are eroded, where they should be built upon.
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Back to iiiiiticks post ... lets get out crewing, hopefully there is helm in the club who could mentor him to the point where he either wants to carry on crewing or takes up helming.

But I agree that there is no common approach to targeting this sector, and back in the day, there were a lot of people coming into the sport that way.

I keep thinking that in the old days the Racing Club used to be at one end of the lake and the Training Centre at the other, now the two are now conflated ... I have no idea if this was a good or a bad thing.

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The problem is of course that we have very few double handers sailing these days. One gentleman who I believe to be 78 used to be a very good GP sailor...and still is sort of. Anyway he was famous for employing young lightweight crews and cautiously bringing them on. Both my sailing children performed this task for him to their own benefit. His season has only just started due to the ill health of his wife and as we have no available junior members he was forced to plonk another elderly fellow in the front compartment. This fellow has been learning to sail for a number of years now but his progress has been limited if not non existent. Given that the ancient helm likes a crew to serve for at least three seasons before being allowed to lay hands on a spinnaker I feel that future progress may be timed out!

I have no wish to sound patronising since said GP beat me today even though their combined eyesight is evidently less effective than mine since they attacked me when I was on starboard.

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Looks like AUS have been doing some serious Soul Searching over the "State of Club Sailing"  -  Down Under

The report acknowledges issues of fragmentation,  duplication and inefficiency that is holding sailing back,  but also recognises some of the strengths,  particularly the lifelong and community nature of sailing.

The recommendations call for more Governance of sailing and a 'more hands on', centralised management approach for the sport
http://cdn.sailingscuttlebutt.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/One-Sailing-Case-for-Change-June-2015.pdf

Very interesting reading
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Riv Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Jul 15 at 6:53pm
Yes it does make interesting reading for all those interested at whatever level in the development of our sport.

From section 3.1:

"For the sport of sailing in particular, the strength, capacity and capital of the sport is held by
the Clubs.
While of varying sizes and make up, the Clubs operate fairly autonomously within
the sailing network, conducting their own events with some controlling substantial assets and
generating significant revenue. In addition to the Clubs are the Class associations which play
a pivotal role in investment and technical advancement of the sport. Therefore the
organisational structure needs to strengthen and manage this network of Clubs and Classes
to open up the opportunity for the sport to draw on these considerable resources as a
collective. (my bold)

Is this what the RYA is doing?
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I think the findings and conclusions of that report apply equally well to the UK. Please take heed RYA.
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