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    Posted: 03 Nov 13 at 2:41pm
But you will have no one to race against. A one off like that will not a have a PY so you won't be able to enter any events. 
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GRF's vision is an Icon with a kite that can be either Assymettric or Symettric depending on the course.

Either one specially designed to work that way using either the front pole or the dangle pole, or two kites to choose from.

That's GRF's current vision.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote 2547 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Nov 13 at 1:11pm
I think gfr's vision could only be achieved if we all sailed lasers wearing fat suits and stilts so we are equalised to be 18 stone and 6'4" ....
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Golf handicaps is like racing Lasers using personal handicaps.Different to PY racing. PY racing is the fairest in one sense, but because boat performance isn't linear, in reality is far less fair than class racing, especially as most boats have things called sail controls, so you can adjust the amount of power the boat is producing.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Do Different Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Nov 13 at 8:53am
Maybe that's not completely true.

Shame though because my mate an' I are big on brawn over brains.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote 2547 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Nov 13 at 7:52am
Originally posted by iGRF

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There is no equality in class racing, never will be, all the time body shapes and weights are unequal, so the main tenet of class racing is built on a lie.

What garbage ... that is like saying there is no equality in the 100m as Bolt is taller than Powell ... etc ...
If the equipment is all the same you have a level playing field.



I wonder sometimes if you lot even realise what you're writing. If Powell were taller than Bolt maybe he'd beat him, as it is Bolt wins because he's taller & faster, how fair is that?

It is a race between two people to establish who is faster. That is what a race is. 
From what you are saying the only fair race is between perfect human clones ... Which of course would be a dead heat. 


Nicely sidestepped there, thought Id nailed you with the springy paraplegic led argument, which exactly makes my point, that to be truly fair if equipment is involved in a race, then that equipment should be matched exactly to the individual body of the competitors, which makes my point again that having identical equipment regardless of competitor size, cannot be fair. I believe the term is QED.

So you want to completely neutralise any physical differences. 

That is a nonsense. Sport is a physical undertaking to test skill and physique. 

If you want an intellectual challenge with no physical undertaking play chess. 


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It could be argued that PY racing is the fairest form of racing in that it allows all competitors to select a craft best suited to their physique, level of fitness (possibly age related) and agility. 



Golf seems to work fairly well with a system of handicapping for skill levels and different tee positions for varying physiques.

Just a thought. Smile   
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Back on theme ..... Whose sailing their Icons and where this winter and spring. Thinking of travelling.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote iGRF Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Nov 13 at 9:45pm
Originally posted by Rupert

It isn't defying the odds, it is simply sailing.


True, and thoroughly good fun it is to, but getting back to the point, class sailing isn't any fairer than any other kind of sailing and should not be promoted as such in an effort to prevent new boats from gaining traction in the market place.
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It isn't defying the odds, it is simply sailing.
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