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gbr940
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Topic: fantastic finn- four year itchPosted: 03 Aug 12 at 9:02am |
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Great to hear so many positive comments about a boat which has been around forever...goes to show that LOCOG were right in the ability to inspire people to go out and do things. I bought my Finn 5 years ago off the back of watching them scream back into the Hamble River (much like how the Olympics are showing them) and just had to have a go. Without doubt it is one of my top 5 boats i've ever sailed. It's so powerful but so graceful...a bit daunting at first when you realise there are 32 blocks to control 1 sail and a low boom to clear, depowering and powering up is a piece of cake.
The best tip I ever got was from Giles Scott which was "the more you put into it, the more rewarding it becomes" - never a truer word said...and the best lesson I ever learnt was try not to gybe in medium-heavy airs from 100deg boom out, has a tendancy to fall over!! The only downside (which is merely an obstacle and nothing that put me off) was that the boat weighs SOOOO much, because of the alloy centreboard, and becomes a pain pulling around the dinghy park after a full day sailing.
But...if in doubt - I would highly recommend a sail on one...then buy one! My only regret is that I couldn't afford to run the Finn and the B14, but nothing saying I won't buy another in the future. Edited by gbr940 - 03 Aug 12 at 10:05am |
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G.R.F.
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Posted: 03 Aug 12 at 9:46am |
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How you all can wax so poetic about something with a piece of flat metal as it's main driving foil? Hasn't it occurred to any of you, that probably the reason it has to have the complex stuff up top is because of the latent inefficiency of that device?
It's an anachronism (means it shouldn't still exist) an insult to the intelligent mind. It's also probably heavy as hell, looks revolting and the fact fine young men like our Ben and Nogbad are being sacrificed on the altar of luddism is beyond me. As exciting as it is to watch, how much faster would they be going in a Phantom for example and how much more relevant would it be to the sort of sailing humans get to do. You lot should all quietly shuffle off now in suitable hang dog repose and look for a graveyard with elephants in to lie down for a while, say eternity, that should do it.
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Posted: 03 Aug 12 at 10:00am |
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When I flogged my MPS I had the option to trade it in against a used, but very nice Devoti Finn, instead I decided to buy a new Phantom.... shiny, new yes; better... well I doubt it somewhat.
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G.R.F.
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Posted: 03 Aug 12 at 10:31am |
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The outcome would still have been the same, although you might have struggled to unload your Finn onto some poor hapless nerd back then, whereas the Phantom is at least marketable.
Only last night I suggested it to a would be newcomer. The point of all this inspiration caused by these games, surely is to attract new blood, what would you have them do? Get in that Techno coffin, or into something they can actually use? It's part of why exposing the public to that complicated anachronistic garbage, that they couldn't work out how to use in a lifetime, never mind the next few moments of concentration you get these days, is so wrong and ultimately futile. Folk should be channelled into Phantomesque stuff first then onto D1 type stuff next.. Imagine the car market still trying to suggest everyone buys a Blower Bentley from the Brooklands era, simply because it is the wonder that it was. Mindless thinking. |
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pondmonkey
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Posted: 03 Aug 12 at 10:39am |
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What would I have anyone do now.... I'd probably direct them straight to the Laser fleet if they were <90kg. £500 - £5000 buys a boat that you can use, £1500+ buys a boat to be genuinely competitive in the back half of the fleet.
20 boat turnouts.... they'll learn far more from sailing in a mixed ability fleet far quicker than they would trying to work out the quirks of some random boat in the spreadsheet fleet. Now if they were a big guy, I'd like to recommend they bought a..... erm, ah, it appears we don't have a big guys single hander. In fact the only possible option would be a Solo with a D Section and full sail, but inland they're still going to get minced. So the only fleet option open is the Flying Fifteen.... no thanks, hassle on a stick. So yes to hear Uncle Rodney tell us there were 46 Finns here at one point, yep that stinks. WTF happened, I reckon I've only seen a couple come and go over the 10 years I've been sailing here. And if the Finn Fleet was still going, then no, things would quite different. My own little adventures into boat buying all stem for ultimately being too heavy to sail a Laser and therefore trying to find something 'perfect' for handicap racing. In the 80's I guess I would have sold Laser and joined the Finns.... It's taken a bit of time and distance away from racing to realise that a) no perfect boat exists and b) handicap racing sucks, so even if a) did exist, the racing experience would still be awful. Now to let something as precious as a big guy's fleet disappear, well that is true mindless thinking imho.
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G.R.F.
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Posted: 03 Aug 12 at 10:56am |
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So why isn't the Phantom on your list? No one else sailing it?
Personally they need to learn to just get round a course for the first year and if, like the guys I tend to come to grips with, money isn't an issue, but time is, so I'd say Solution for lightweights, and Phantom for Heavy. If they're going second hand then still I'd say look for those two first then consider Blaze which does both jobs, but is a little more complex with the racks, but single hander for new comer, I wouldn't recommend anything else much, Supernova maybe, as much as I love it I wouldn't reccommend my EPS chariot for someone new. Now if it were the lake, they're all into Streakers & Solos, but you know sod them, I'd still say buy from one of those four. Solution Supernova Phantom or Blaze, they're the only boats that anyone should recommend to adults that have never sailed before and want to join in the racing. Unless of course they are very very old, mentally retarded or totally charismatically challenged in which case...no, not even then.
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Posted: 03 Aug 12 at 11:04am |
there's one at the club currently. I really didn't enjoy sailing mine... but it's difficult to reflect back on these things; did I really not like the boat? I had tested one before buying and liked it enough, well liked going sailing and not capsizing on every douse, hoist, gybe and upwind lull. Or was it the fact that I racing it in a handicap fleet against jeers of 'bandit' whenever I did okay, or getting mashed when it was windy? Either way I sold it and joined 10 other guys at the time sailing RS300s and thoroughly loved the racing again.... basically because most of us didn't care what the spreadsheet said, as we had our own race with in the PY fleet. I actually changed clubs to maintain the class racing when the 100 came out....
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G.R.F.
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Posted: 03 Aug 12 at 11:20am |
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I recall it as a well pimped out boat, all spin locks, didn't really know you back then but was impressed by the pimpedness, figured anyone who would do that can't be a complete t**ser..
Edit so ten of you? What went wrong there then what are they all sailing now? Someone interfere with someone else's woman? (The usual wedge that gets driven between blokes). Edited by G.R.F. - 03 Aug 12 at 11:22am |
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Posted: 03 Aug 12 at 11:31am |
it was pimp, but the lure of fleet racing and getting over my past gripes with RS made the decision simple... move on, get a 300 and join in the fun. What happened? I don't know, I moved to another club with the 100 and when I came back a year later they'd all but gone except the few of the original guys. I returned as the journey to the cotswolds was just a nightmare- 2 hours for 50 miles behind classic cars and Sunday drivers. I guess we all had our reasons, mine was continuing to fleet race and I went to the nearest club with other 100s on the magic list. I guess a few drop out and the critical mass is lost... either way it was damn shame, the 300 was a great boat for that lake.
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Posted: 03 Aug 12 at 12:27pm |
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I must be ideal Finn material at 6'6" and 95kg and I do love the look of the hull and the sail. However I just can't look over the weight of the thing, which would make it impossible to sail in my inland waters. My Phantom is almost exactly half the weight and with a very similar sail area makes a big difference in responsiveness which is reflected in the handicap. These and other factors make it very difficult to choose a Finn over a Phantom IMHO.
Still, seeing a Finn close up in the flesh I can see it is easy to be swayed....
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