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49erGBR735HSC 
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 Topic: Hardest nationals to win?Posted: 10 Aug 06 at 4:03pm |
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I know it's not the nationals but I reckon the 505 Worlds would have been the hardest class to win this year. Well done Mark and Ian for the outstanding performance in such a high level class.
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Posted: 10 Aug 06 at 4:15pm |
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Oh my God! That is quality! I must say there have been times when I've wanted to do that sort of thing, although luckily the gentleman in me prevails and the confrontation is usually along the lines of "Erm, mate, you do know I had to keep clear of you when I had right of way?". Usually resolved with a pint! |
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Posted: 10 Aug 06 at 4:25pm |
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I guess our sport is no different to many others - somtimes in the heat of competition tempers boil over. No excuse of course. I guess these incidents are rare as by the time you are close enough to hit someone you have usually had a chance to cool off. When I sailed 470's I saw quite a few of these spats ... Rick |
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Posted: 10 Aug 06 at 4:36pm |
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The hardest Nationals to win are inevitably the strict manufacturer One
Designs, particularly those run in conditions where nothing much tactical is going on to separate the knows from the dont knows. Or the ones where the tactical situation remains perdominantly the same like the Garda cliff bend. Then it comes down to Boat/Board Speed and Crew Weight plain and simple, given that everyone knows how to get the optimum speed out of their given set up. Then, from what I've observed from you lot, there seems to be a frenzy of writing down the settings & tension the given winners have their spreader thingies set at in the folorn hope it'll make all the difference next time y'all race. 
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Posted: 10 Aug 06 at 5:39pm |
I know I deleted all the stuff around it, but this is just to emphasize there is a lot more to know in boats where you have the ability to tweak it and play around. I have met quite a few people coming up from one designs trying to get to grips with the more technical classes and having to fill huge gaps in their knowledge... As usual, I suspect there is no correct answer to the question, but isnt that half the point of the internet - we can all be right! |
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JimC
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Posted: 10 Aug 06 at 5:52pm |
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I luv Wight
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Posted: 10 Aug 06 at 6:21pm |
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[QUOTE=Jamie600]Using the same argument, Lasers also are the same weight, have the same gear, and similar speeds. You can't tune the rig at all, and they all have the same tacking angles. The only advantages come from playing the shifts and boat handling, but the boat handling on a single sailed boat is easier than a two-mans, three-sail boat, so there is even less margin there for an advantage.
QUOTE] So it must be much easier in a OD fleet, because you don't need to consider boat design, sail design, tuning, and all that other stuff that is essential in a development class. ( ie only about half the stuff you need to get right!) And also it must be easier in a singlehander, cos you don't have the crew co-ordination problems etc. |
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Jamie600
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Posted: 10 Aug 06 at 6:30pm |
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My point was that the easier the boat is to sail (ie get from a-b), then the harder it is to race, because you can't rely on any of the fleet having the wrong kit, not tuned correctly or bad handling. All you have is tactics, so you have to be a damn good sailor! You're saying that picking the right kit, tuning, optimizing etc is part of racing, I agree that it is, but my understanding of this post was - what is the hardest Nationals to win based on ability? If you were lent a boat for a Nationals, which is the hardest to win?
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Posted: 10 Aug 06 at 6:50pm |
Easy. International Moth. I could at least hope to finish on the same lap as the current Champ in a Laser... Edited by JimC |
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I luv Wight
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Posted: 10 Aug 06 at 8:20pm |
above was the post # 1 nothing about borrowing boats etc it would be much easier to win in a borrowed laser ( because it's more or less the same whatever boat you get) than in say an int 14 ( or cherub ) , where you could get a badly tuned old heavy tub! |
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