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Mozzy ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 21 Apr 20 Online Status: Offline Posts: 209 |
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The 4 has had quite an increase over the years. Maybe partly responsible for the decline in the topper?
I actually think Olympic status hurts the full rig attendances. Maybe not at a club level, but at nationals events and rankers etc. The very top Olympic squaddies might not be there, but the there are quite a few who are close to that level. I mean, most adult fleets don't have many sailors, even at the top, who hold aspiration to win an Olympic medal, and they don't really need out hiking by a 20 years old to understand that. The laser Olympic status probably does help the radial, 4.7 in the same way the 49er helps the 29er and the 470 the 420. The youth boats is a place where you can buy in to the dream without having directly crushed by those living the dream. I mean, if Olympic status really helps a class, then where are the big attendances for the 49er, Nacra and 470?
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Demelza ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 01 Aug 21 Online Status: Offline Posts: 31 |
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It was a little warm Monday and Tuesday ![]() But winds on Sunday and Wednesday evening were good 13mph base gusting to 22mph and the temperature was in the mid 20s( plus the wind didn’t even die of on the Wednesday ![]() Perfect sailing conditions for me and the cold white wine afterwards was good too [/![]() A pointless self centred post of no interest to anyone.
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Grumpycat ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 29 Sep 20 Online Status: Offline Posts: 497 |
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Forums are about opinions and with out them there is no forum . Look I dislike loads of boats Solos being the top of the list and include anything roto moulded apart from the Feva. BUT that doesn’t mean I am disrespecting the boats , the people that sail them or the reasons they have chosen them .It just means I don’t like them, end of nothing more. If someone wants to take a comment about a boat they love as a personal insult that’s says more about them than the original poster. The bottom line is as long as people come to the forum , in good humour , play nice and stay away from personal insults, people will continue to post
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turnturtle ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 05 Dec 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2538 |
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wrong, bravo Duncan; I'm glad you enjoyed it Demelza - it's a chat forum mate, chill your boots; or at least empty the piss out of them before you walk into the wet bar.
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Grumpycat ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 29 Sep 20 Online Status: Offline Posts: 497 |
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Thanks for your input . Have a nice day
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fab100 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Mar 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1005 |
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money? You can buy an ILCA for £8k sail it for a year or 3 then sell it for half that. A Mackay 470 is around 3 times that to buy, it lasts a year at best, after which the hull’s a banana fit only for the bin, in racing terms at least. Stupid construction rules insisting on polyester only “to keep cost down”. At least a 505, for 470 money, uses decent materials and is thereby reasonably competitive for years not months. Cats may be even worse, with the lifecycle longevity of a flying ant, it seems to me. There’s always a fundamental revision or new, better cat class along in a minute. In a cat you pay no attention to a 5 degree shift. In an ILCA miss it and lose several places. Then you factor in the relative decline of double-handers. Be interesting though to see how the Finn does attracting new blood now its no longer olympic, but surely not as well as it used to. All in all, the ILCA seems to hit all the sweet spots and it can only be good news that Rastegar is out of the equation too.
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turnturtle ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 05 Dec 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2538 |
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if only they changed the damned rudder ;-) I actually quite enjoyed the sailing experience of the Rooster 8.1 rig... I know my tastes can be as sophisticated as a Carlsberg Top in a plastic beaker, but a Rooster 8.1 and Fred-shed conversion of an MPS rudder and stock... wouldn't be a bad boat for just hooning around on.
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fab100 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Mar 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1005 |
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but the side view line-drawings would not look so cool and rakish (geddit) if the rudder angle was not the same as the daggerboard’s ![]() And it needs to crazy, crazy windy before my Laser takes preference to the 100 for a hoon. But I did the ILCA Masters Inlands last autumn, first for 12 years. It was light but I did actually enjoy the racing, made more fun by being in the mix with my old knocker.
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Mozzy ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 21 Apr 20 Online Status: Offline Posts: 209 |
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Maybe cost. But, they're all two person boats so harsh to compare to a single hander. Plus you get a fair more boat for your buck, so I am not sure how much cost is a factor. Probably better comparing the cost of a merlin to a 470, a foiling phantom to the Nacra and an 800 to the 49er. 49er, Nacra and even to an extent the 470 are limited on venues where you can sail which further hampers amateur involvement. So there may be an element of this which certainly doesn't affect the laser. But mostly I think people don't sail these classes because there will be ~10 boats who sailing full time and life is structured around sailing. Plus they're pretty good anyways. And those same boats add little social value* as they have to act professional. Not a great way to build a domestic fleet. Yet, despite this, the laser seems to get good turnouts. But I would struggle to say they really benefit from being an Olympic class (in the full rig). *full time sailors outside their professional bot are a lot more fun. But they're also easier to beat and are essentially on holiday.
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turnturtle ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 05 Dec 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2538 |
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I mean, obvs! Nice rakish comment btw
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