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    Posted: 22 Jul 22 at 8:31am
The 4 has had quite an increase over the years. Maybe partly responsible for the decline in the topper? 

I actually think Olympic status hurts the full rig attendances. Maybe not at a club level, but at nationals events and rankers etc. The very top Olympic squaddies might not be there, but the there are quite a few who are close to that level. I mean, most adult fleets don't have many sailors, even at the top, who hold aspiration to win an Olympic medal, and they don't really need out hiking by a 20 years old to understand that. 

The laser Olympic status probably does help the radial, 4.7 in the same way the 49er helps the 29er and the 470 the 420. The youth boats is a place where you can buy in to the dream without having directly crushed by those living the dream. 

I mean, if Olympic status really helps a class, then where are the big attendances for the 49er, Nacra and 470? 
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Originally posted by Grumpycat

[QUOTE=turnturtle]Actually I was just being literal - I heard it wasn’t as crazy hot as earlier this week, but I also hoped you’d get a puff or two to make the most of it

It was a little warm Monday and Tuesday  LOL.
But winds on Sunday and Wednesday evening  were good 13mph base  gusting to 22mph and the temperature was in the mid 20s( plus the wind didn’t even die of on the Wednesday  Smile) .
Perfect sailing conditions for me and the cold white wine afterwards was good too Wink
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Originally posted by CT249

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I have nothing against the ILCA or ILCA sailors , I sailed one for 20 years and don’t regret it, it was the best option for me at that time . And even today , if big fleet sailing is most important to a you it’s still a good choice. 
If, like me, big fleet sailing it not the most important thing, then there are newer, better and much nicer  boats to sail. 
 
Have a nice day  Smile


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Fair enough, but (and it's a fairly big "but" IMHO) is a forum better if people sling insults at boats merely because they are not good choices for them at a particular time?  Or is a forum better if people respect the boats that others love?

Forums are about opinions and with out them there is no forum . Look I dislike loads of boats Solos being the top of the list and include anything roto moulded apart from the Feva. BUT that doesn’t mean I am disrespecting the boats , the people that sail them or the reasons they have chosen them .It just means I don’t like them, end of nothing more. If someone wants to take a comment about a boat they love as a  personal insult that’s says more about them than the original poster. 
The bottom line is as long as people come to the forum , in good humour , play nice and stay away from personal insults, people will continue to post  Smile


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Originally posted by Demelza

Originally posted by Grumpycat

[QUOTE=turnturtle]Actually I was just being literal - I heard it wasn’t as crazy hot as earlier this week, but I also hoped you’d get a puff or two to make the most of it

It was a little warm Monday and Tuesday  LOL.
But winds on Sunday and Wednesday evening  were good 13mph base  gusting to 22mph and the temperature was in the mid 20s( plus the wind didn’t even die of on the Wednesday  Smile) .
Perfect sailing conditions for me and the cold white wine afterwards was good too Wink
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wrong, bravo Duncan; I'm glad you enjoyed it

Demelza - it's a chat forum mate, chill your boots; or at least empty the piss out of them before you walk into the wet bar.
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Originally posted by Demelza

Originally posted by Grumpycat

[QUOTE=turnturtle]Actually I was just being literal - I heard it wasn’t as crazy hot as earlier this week, but I also hoped you’d get a puff or two to make the most of it

It was a little warm Monday and Tuesday  LOL.
But winds on Sunday and Wednesday evening  were good 13mph base  gusting to 22mph and the temperature was in the mid 20s( plus the wind didn’t even die of on the Wednesday  Smile) .
Perfect sailing conditions for me and the cold white wine afterwards was good too Wink
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Thanks for your input . Have a nice day  Smile Smile
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Originally posted by Mozzy

I mean, if Olympic status really helps a class, then where are the big attendances for the 49er, Nacra and 470? 

money? You can buy an ILCA for £8k sail it for a year or 3 then sell it for half that. A Mackay 470 is around 3 times that to buy, it lasts a year at best, after which the hull’s a banana fit only for the bin, in racing terms at least. Stupid construction rules insisting on polyester only “to keep cost down”. At least a 505, for 470 money, uses decent materials and is thereby reasonably competitive for years not months. 

Cats may be even worse, with the lifecycle longevity of a flying ant, it seems to me. There’s always a fundamental revision or new, better cat class along in a minute. In a cat you pay no attention to a 5 degree shift. In an ILCA miss it and lose several places. 


Then you factor in the relative decline of double-handers. 

Be interesting though to see how the Finn does attracting new blood now its no longer olympic, but surely not as well as it used to. 

All in all, the ILCA seems to hit all the sweet spots and it can only be good news that Rastegar is out of the equation too.


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if only they changed the damned rudder ;-)  I actually quite enjoyed the sailing experience of the Rooster 8.1 rig... I know my tastes can be as sophisticated as a Carlsberg Top in a plastic beaker, but a Rooster 8.1 and Fred-shed conversion of an MPS rudder and stock... wouldn't be a bad boat for just hooning around on.
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Originally posted by turnturtle

if only they changed the damned rudder ;-)  I actually quite enjoyed the sailing experience of the Rooster 8.1 rig... I know my tastes can be as sophisticated as a Carlsberg Top in a plastic beaker, but a Rooster 8.1 and Fred-shed conversion of an MPS rudder and stock... wouldn't be a bad boat for just hooning around on.

but the side view line-drawings would not look so cool and rakish (geddit) if the rudder angle was not the same as the daggerboard’s   Stern Smile

And it needs to crazy, crazy windy before my Laser takes preference to the 100 for a hoon. But I did the ILCA Masters Inlands last autumn, first for 12 years. It was light but I did actually enjoy the racing, made more fun by being in the mix with my old knocker.
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Originally posted by fab100

Originally posted by Mozzy

I mean, if Olympic status really helps a class, then where are the big attendances for the 49er, Nacra and 470? 

money? You can buy an ILCA for £8k sail it for a year or 3 then sell it for half that. A Mackay 470 is around 3 times that to buy, it lasts a year at best, after which the hull’s a banana fit only for the bin, in racing terms at least. Stupid construction rules insisting on polyester only “to keep cost down”. At least a 505, for 470 money, uses decent materials and is thereby reasonably competitive for years not months. 

Cats may be even worse, with the lifecycle longevity of a flying ant, it seems to me. There’s always a fundamental revision or new, better cat class along in a minute. In a cat you pay no attention to a 5 degree shift. In an ILCA miss it and lose several places. 


Then you factor in the relative decline of double-handers. 

Be interesting though to see how the Finn does attracting new blood now its no longer olympic, but surely not as well as it used to. 

All in all, the ILCA seems to hit all the sweet spots and it can only be good news that Rastegar is out of the equation too.

Maybe cost. 

But, they're all two person boats so harsh to compare to a single hander. Plus you get a fair more boat for your buck, so I am not sure how much cost is a factor. Probably better comparing the cost of a merlin to a 470, a foiling phantom to the Nacra and an 800 to the 49er. 

49er, Nacra and even to an extent the 470 are limited on venues where you can sail which further hampers amateur involvement. So there may be an element of this which certainly doesn't affect the laser.

But mostly I think people don't sail these classes because there will be ~10 boats who sailing full time and life is structured around sailing. Plus they're pretty good anyways. And those same boats add little social value* as they have to act professional. Not a great way to build a domestic fleet. Yet, despite this, the laser seems to get good turnouts. But I would struggle to say they really benefit from being an Olympic class (in the full rig). 

*full time sailors outside their professional bot are a lot more fun. But they're also easier to beat and are essentially on holiday. 
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Originally posted by fab100

And it needs to crazy, crazy windy before my Laser takes preference to the 100 for a hoon. 

I mean, obvs! Nice rakish comment btw
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