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    Posted: 16 Jan 12 at 9:04am
I've decided I want an easier system for my shrouds instead of those chain plate things with holes in them, I have a set of Stamasters but they are too long, so have decided I'd like some sort of adjustable by block and cleat system, so could you recommend what blocks (preferably with links to where purchasable) I should use, I guess they'd have to be high performance.

Please do so as you would a child and pictures would help.


If there are other ideas I may not have encountered then ditto above..

Thanks in advance, oh and I have uppers, lowers and top of the mast things (cap shrouds is it?) I guess a degree of independence is required oh and finally only one anchorage point..
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my phantom came supplied with adjustable forestay and lowers rather than adjustable shrouds.... no idea why, class rules perhaps, or alternatively this is what proved best when the tinkering and tart up happened for the Phants??? Maxi??  

Either way it meant lots of blocks, mix of stainless and ronstan top of the line, vectran and a cats cradle running up across the bow.  Bear in mind you've got a kite up there and an adjustable wing-wang, and we both knew what happened to systems that are hidden under kite socks from our RS100 days.
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Graeme, What anchorage point do you have on the boat? is it a U bolt style?  Can you post a picture of what you currently have?  Would you want a one string system so one string controls both shrouds?  Also what sort of adjustment do you want on your Caps and lowers?  I find Simplicity is often the best solution especially as you will be trying to find quick settings and replicating them as you find your feet in the boat.  This is why chain plates are ofen a good idea.

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if the keyring thingy is a PITA (gravel boat parks or deep grass) then get fast pins.... but be warned, you need to buy the same brand of fast pin and check the diameter and length properly as they are usually incompatible between the brands of chainplate.  

Oh yes, fast pins without tape, aren't fast....



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Crickey! How can a boat with one sail have so many bits of string?

Graeme, I think you'll send yourself down a rabbit hole if you have block and tackle to adjust every wire seperately. KISS baby. Tracks are an alternative to blocks, as found on Tasars and NS14s, but I'm not sure you could do that with lowers and caps. Do you know where your hard points are?
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Originally posted by Peaky

Crickey! How can a boat with one sail have so many bits of string?  

yep- one of the reasons I didn't 'like it', although in fairness to the class, all that string is fairly 'optional' and returning it to a 'fixie' and concentrating on the actual sailing would have been viable without any net loss in my personal performance.

I prefer pulling a bit of string and something exciting to happen... like doubling the sail area for downwind or something.  Big smile


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Rogue, on a phantom the shrouds are fixed by the rules. the lowers are not, nor is the forestay. Allowing both to move means that you can depower the rig upwind by slackening the forestay but then control the lower part of the mast with the lowers. Nearly all have the forestay but most have fixed lowers for simplicity. I guess if you are really good you might notice the difference but for most people it is over the top. There is a Boon wooden one (Berts I think) where as you adjust the forestay it adjusts the lowers accordingly. now that's a lit of string for a single sail. Most of the cats cradle on the deck on Rogues old boat is for the purchase on the forestay.

For Grahams boat I think the maxim of keep it simple would be of the mist benefit, get on the thing and sail it, don't get caught up in pulling bits of cord here and there, it ain't worth it.
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THe rig adjustment on a phanotm is completely optional, Adjustable lowers are not really neccessary, i had them on my boat so they automatically tightened as you raked (removed rig tension) completely OTT and removed the system so i just had adjustable lowers and forestay.  The adjustable forestay is a must, its a powerful boat and needs it to help rake whilst sailing.  Also dropping the forestay off downwind is quick, but never got my head round why.

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mostly to let boom go further forward so you can run deeper Russ
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That's what it looks like now, it took me ages to get the mast up single handed, in the end I had to attach it then lift the thing, then it was wrong so it went up and down three times before it was close. I want to just hook something on, I don't want those bloody plates and pins they are so 1953...

Lucky I didn't try any of those handicap events I'd never have gotten on the water..
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