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    Posted: 28 Sep 11 at 10:10am
Hello all,

I am new to the forum and preparing to get back into sailing, but am looking for advice on which dinghy to aim for in the long term.  I tried sailing when I was serving in the forces in Cyprus and loved it, but what with one thing and another on returning to the UK I didn't keep it up.  Now I am in the position to resurrect my interest and will be visiting my local clubs to see what is on offer :)

Firstly, I am currently 44 yrs old, 6'1" tall and around 110kg - a big old lump.  I consider myself fairly fit for my age (I played football and rugby up until I left the forces a couple of years ago) and the weight comes from big bones and muscle (honest!!).  I am married - the wife endorses my interest in sailing since she did some when she was younger too and there are two teenage step-children who may or may not get into sailing too if I can drag them off the Xbox for long enough.

I intend to learn at a local club and to try out various boats to see what I like myself, but would like advice  on which boat fits my needs so that if I see a bargain for sale I can grab it when I can.

What do I want?  Ideally, I am looking for:

- something fun to sail.
- big enough to fit the family in should they all want to go for a sail at the same time.
- something that I can sail solo for those days when I can't persuade anyone to join me.
- suitable for inland and coastal.

I have been researching over the last few weeks and one boat that has caught my eye is the Wayfarer, but the occasional comments about size and weight have got me rethinking my long term strategy.  I am not averse to a bit of heavy work if that is what it takes to manoeuvre on land, but is it so bad?  Also is it difficult to solo on water?

Any other advice is also appreciated :)
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Morning.
 
I don't know how far you would be prepared to travel for a club but if you wanted salt water rather than pond sailing you could do a lot worse than considering Blackwater Sailing Club, probably about a 45 min drive from you, near Maldon. Have a look at the website blackwatersailingclub.org.uk
 
The club has a sailing school attatched to it and boats you can borrow (GP14 and Wayfarer). There are also people who own other boats you might like to try (Laser Stratos springs to mind). Also a good cadet section for the kids if they wanted to be involved.
 
Mid afternoon tides this weekend so there will be lots of people around from about lunchtime if you wanted to come down for a look (directions on the website) just come up to the clubhoue and ask someone to show you around.
 
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I think the wayfarer would be a bit much single handed.

On the whole though I always advise against worrying too much about long term... You'll almost certainly change your mind a few times - heck there are people on this forum who seem to change boats every six weeks -or at least that's what it feels like!

The other thing about bargains in boats is they are like buses - as soon as one appears there'll be another one just down the road, so I really wouldn't worry.

Its going to be near enough impossible to get a boat that will make a good fist at everything you would like it to do, and the more multi purpose a boat is then, frankly, the more mediocre it is... In your place I'd look for a club that has some club owned boats available - especially ones you can get the whole family in. Pick a boat that fits what 75% or more of your sailing will be done in and use club boats for the rest is my advice...
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The other option for a localish club would be Broxbourne, also with a sailing school. It may even be a better bet being on a quiet lake, with no one to get in your way, or, for you to get in other people's way!! I would guess, that a Wanderer may be a bit better bet than a Wayfarer. Not sure how suitable, but, a K1, may suit, it seems to have room for passengers (however cosy it may be!!)...

Once, you've tried enough boats, you will know what you want... What suits you, may not suit me, and may not suit the person sitting next to me..... There is no easy answer, I'm afraid..... And most forumites, will promote their favourite boat!

Good Luck, and choose carefully.... (Let's be fair, there is not much wrong with a Drascombe Lugger, it will fit about eight people on board, and can be sailed singlehanded, not very performance related, and heavier than a wayfarer ashore, but manageable..)

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Thanks for the replies guys.  Much appreciated.

With work being quite hectic at the moment and a house extension going up I am only likely to get out for an occasional weekend until around March time, when I hope to pick it up a bit.  I will be sure to have a look at the suggested clubs, but was thinking of checking out Havering club to start with (based at Stubbers).

I think I'll hold off on boat ideas for now - the wife just pointed out that she doesn't want a boat cluttering up the driveway, so it may be club sailing for some time to come.

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You should also have a look at the clubs east of you along the Thames (Benfleet. Leigh, Essex, Thames Estuary, Alexandra and Thorpe Bay)

There are all sorts of dinghies being sailed there including Estuary One Designs and Sandhoppers  (if you want bigger boats). You would also have the option of putting something the size of a Wayfarer or Lugger on a mooring for almost the same cost as a dinghy space which saves you having to drag it around.
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Totally agree With Steve, the clubs along the Thames are very welcoming (still havent found a more fun club than TBYC in all my various travels) and pretty much all are suited to family boats due to the drying out moorings. One issue might be the tides, especially as you would not be local to the clubs and only have occasional chances, possibly thwarted by the lack of water :/ still nowhere's perfect so could still be the best  Smile

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Thanks for all the replies and guidance so far.  It has been much appreciated.

I have taken the plunge and joined a local club that meets at weekends on a lake.  I went out last weekend with one of the club members in a GP14, firstly to refresh what I know (and what I thought I knew) and secondly to assure the existing club members that I am no danger to them!!  All went well and I am lined up to go out solo in a GP14 this weekend, minus the jib.

I have had further discuccions with 'she who must be obeyed' and with the kids and it definitely looks like a majority of my sailing is going to be solo, so I have been doing further reading and research and looked at the boats in the local club.  However, a couple of things have come up in chatting with members in the club:

- I am a big lad.  The Mirror is definitely out!!
- I have a tall body and short legs for my 6'1" frame and I am the first person my instructor has met that needs to duck below the boom of a GP14.  Cockpit space is therefore a concern for future boats.
- I am strong and fit for my age so workload isn't a concern.

For teh forseeable, I will probably carry on with gainign experience in the toned down GP14 but I want to look longer term and something I can call my own.

What boats, if any, fit into my adjusted requirements?  I have read decent things about the RS Vareo, but on the few YouTube clips I have looked at headroom seems like it might be an issue.
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Glad your enjoying the GP its design spec pretty much matches what you put as your requirements. For Solo work you will find a jib (or even better a roller Genoa) as opposed to the genoa very usefull. She will sail ok on either main or jib but she goes a whole lot better on both.

For coastal sailing (not estury) slab reefing is essential.  You need some way to quickly and easily reduce sail. Roller is too slow and really needs two failry well practised people to do it well.
 
Cant argue with the Wayfarer she is the better cruiser shes much bigger inside and can comfortably carry a small engine  (though the jury is out on the benefit of such) or oars. If you take the weight ashore (the GP can be a handfull with a good tide running)
 
Not sure what more modern boats yourve tried, out of the few IVe tried quite liked the Laser2000 (though didnt think as happy as thing as the GP) and rarer. Loved the Laser Stratos, fantastic to wind and great fun performance on that weighted keel and great in the big swell and tides we have here (Liverpool SC) though need to be carefull in the very shallow water we often have. She really needs a crew as itshard to steer and wind up that daggerboard at the same time.
 
If you have drying moorings Id be very tempted to go for a handy Trailer sailor, with everything led back  and decent reefing (keep saying it). If the Mrs isnt that keen the bigger the boat the better.  
 
 
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Given the majority of your sailing is going to be solo, I would go for a proper singlehander for you to enjoy the most and hire out a club boat for the odd day the family want to get out on the water.

Lots of choices of singlehander, but given your weight and location I would go for something like a Phantom which is very spacious and suited to the larger sailor. It has so much space that sailing it doublehanded is no problem (I've taken my wife out in my Phantom and it was surprisingly fast). Solos can also take weight, but with the big centreboard case it's hard to squeeze under the boom.

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