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    Posted: 02 Jan 08 at 3:20pm
my club let's me sail of 1050 which according to the cherub website was the PY for 91 rules Cherubs  should have gone for hull age and been on something like 1130 might have not come last in everything!
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Chris, looking at the NOR don't you think that this is relevant? I certainly don't read what you do into those words. On balance I think its unlikely that QM will give old boats a different handicap, but my reading of both the PY documentation and the NOR suggests that they could if they wanted to.


1.4 The PY Numbers used for calculating start numbers will generally be those in the information on the RYA website on 1.12.2007 but the Race Committee may vary these as they deem appropriate.


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Just take a look at the NOR:

The race is open to monohull centreboard dinghies with a Portsmouth Yardstick Primary, Secondary, Recorded or Trial Number equal to or lower than the PY Number of the International Topper published in the RYA's list of PY Numbers as shown on the RYA website on 1.12.2007,

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Entries will be accepted at the discretion of the Race Committee from boats not having a PY Number published in the lists referred to above. A PY Number will be allocated by the Race Committee solely for the purpose of calculating a start number. Such entries will not be eligible to win any prizes except class prizes and the Sailability Trophy.

 

SO: If you have a class boat, it will race on the PY as published by the RYA. If you want to sail a different type of boat, then the RC can allocate a different PY - but you can't win any prizes.

You could always enter a class of "CherubLite", and get a handicap that is different to the current PY of a Cherub.

 
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Originally posted by Merlinboy

An old 14 sails off the same handicap as us, it aint fair


Its perfectly reasonable to adjust numbers, but its completely at the discretion of the RO and the SIs. Text below is from The RYA PY FAQ
Q. My boat is an old boat. Should it have a different Number from newer boats?

A. This depends. If your class is a development class, and newer designs are clearly faster, then there is good reason to allocate your class more than one Number based on the age of the design. Sailing instructions would need to permit such.




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Thats the right attitude mate! Just get out there and do it!
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meh....I'll put up with it. It's my first Bloody Mary and first persuit race, we'll see how it goes.
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Ross, you are right it is logical but that is development classes for you! An old 14 sails off the same handicap as us, it aint fair but these people knew what they were buying!  Otherise they should of bought a SMOD!  the only way round it for you would be to convert to 05 rules, which i would suggest would ruin your boat (i prefer pre 05 rule cherubs they are much better looking) or just make sure you sail it BLOODY well and put up with 975.  I'm sure your club will give you an adjusted handicap, i just cant see it happening at major handicap events especially as most of these are represented by other cherubs!
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But if a boat doesn’t fit the last TWO rule sets then its just silly that I should be expected to race off the most recent number. If I was using another trapeze then I would understand the 975 thing because twin wires we're introduced in 05. If your N12 doesn’t fit the new rule set and doesn’t have anything that wasn't allowed in previous rules then it should sail off that number. That’s logical isn't it?

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You'll be sailing of 975 matey like all the other cherubs. Otherwise i could take up n12 3111 and argue that it's older than your boat and therefore i should get a higher py number. You bought the boat you sail to the handicap
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Originally posted by Smight at BBSC

Originally posted by ratface

Originally posted by Rob.e

Originally posted by Ross

I hoping to do both In FS

I nearly froze to death in a National 12 in the BM one year (87?), and my main memory was seeing Flat Stanley screaming past with an air gap between the board and the rudder: first time I'd seen such a thing! Guy Lewington, wasn't it?


Ross wont be able to do that!
new main aim for the BM for me this year...

BEAT ROSS

Lol sorry matey but me too  I can't be beaten by a cherub



Well it all depends on the wind and what handicap I'm sailing off. So far we have had lots of exciting kite runs just hammering it downwind. Bit slow during the gybes atm but we're getting there. Up wind we have bursts of planing, it difficult to maintain it but it will come with a bit rig tuning and learning how to sail the boat properly.


If it's a crazy forcast I will take the 3000. But it will have to really windy for me to consider it.
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