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    Posted: 12 Jan 07 at 1:49pm

Hi,

New here, but not to sailing. I am looking for any comments (good or bad) on the Laser EPS. I am giving some thought to buying one. I have sailed Lasers, OKs and Finns in the past. Tried a Contender for a while but it's not suitable to the lake I sail on. Having been boatless for a couple of years I am looking for a singlehanded dinghy. Nothing wooden, and the EPS caught my eye.

I know that they are no longer produced, but this means that the prices are falling so now seems a good enough time to buy.

All answers gratefully received.

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Don't do it - they were never very successful. We had one at our club recently and the guy who had it really struggled. He has now got a Laser and has some real competition.

He struggled to sell his EPS and eventually sold it at a loss. This should be a good reason not to get an EPS.

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Originally posted by Contender443

Don't do it - they were never very successful. We had one at our club recently and the guy who had it really struggled. He has now got a Laser and has some real competition.

He struggled to sell his EPS and eventually sold it at a loss. This should be a good reason not to get an EPS.

Why did he struggle? Was he too small, or is the boat a pig to sail. It has a very fine bow and I guess would bow bury easily if one didn't sit well aft.

Having sold old OKs and Finns over the years I know the boat will probably be hard to move on, and cost me money, but provided one buys cheaply enough the cost should be bearable. Especially if I keep the full details secret from my wife  

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I sailed one for a while a couple of seasons back, buying and selling was easy & I got my money back but I guess the key thing is not to pay too much for one in the 1st place. I wouldn't want to spend more than £1k, and at that level you're unlikely to lose much. I actually quite liked the boat, but sold it as I wanted to start sailing with my kids. The downsides are that you'll almost certainly be sailing in handicap fleets as there isn't a circuit, but you do get a lot of boat for your money. There does seem to be a bit more activity over at the EPS website at yahoo groups too.
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I still have one although it doesn't get sailed often.  I think it's an excellent boat, far more enjoyable to sail than a Laser, and you can get them for silly money now (which is why I haven't tried to sell mine!).
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Adds Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Jan 07 at 1:59pm
The boat looks 21st century to look at, but is rather boring to sail. More of an old mans boat to sail. Not a good combination to sell a lot of boats.
There are reasons why company drop boats, normally because they are not very good and thus no one buys them.

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Laser stopped making it because it cost too much to produce and they were making a loss on every boat. There are a couple sailed at Whitefriars, and the sailors have a fantastic time. They seem not to cope with weight well, and if more than 1101/2 stone I'd say to look for something else. If light, go for it - I has a whale of a time when I borrowed one! Watch out when it blows, though...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Smight at BBSC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Feb 07 at 6:50pm
We have 1 at our club and the guy who sails it isn't big (13st ish) but there barely any class racing to be had. Have you looked at the rs 300? More expensive but the class is still going strong and great to sail
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I've sailed one twice.  Once in the light and once in middling, both time inland.  Nice boat, viceless, fast and planes to windward.  A fine bow slices along nicely but a broad flat aft section gives stability if you move your weight back - so good for gybing.  Difficult not to drag the stern when tacking and the cockpit is very wet in any sort of chop since it sloshes in the sides due to the low freeboard under the wings.  I'm intrigued to know whether it pays to run deep or go for speed downwind but I haven't sailed it enough to form an opinion.  At least with the novel rig which can be over-rotated like a Laser you have a choice.  Nicely put together too and a very easy to read the sail - altogether a feeling of quality. And this is the reason for poor sales as I understand - it was too expensive.

Other fine boat with similar performance are the more tippy 300 and the Blaze which looks like the favorite for strong winds, and then there is the Phantom which seems to have become popular in spite of the price.

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It wouldn't be my choice - the rocker is all in the wrong place, freeboard too low, bunch of stuff. When I've sailed one it seemed very unspecial, just another boat. Try a 300. Its a good bit of work to master, and its not for everyone, (so you must try one first) but its the outstanding boat in that bit of the market.
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