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    Posted: 24 Nov 18 at 8:57am
I didn’t go to the Draycote Dash, but reading the report on the Front page has not made the scoring system any clearer to me.

The event is dual scored, once using the relatively standard Great Lakes system for the Sailjuice Winter Series and then again using “Dynamic Handicapping” for the GBSC.

Simon Lovesey says "Perhaps the best way of describing it is as a 'Flying Lap', where we take each boat's best single performance around the race course. Whereas normal PY handicapping such as the RYA or the Great Lakes is a measure of time on time, we're taking a measure of time on distance. And whereas conventional results are based on your performance across the weekend, we're taking your best performance in an individual race, a bit like your best lap when Formula One drivers are trying to qualify for pole position on the starting grid."

That all sounds a bit gimmicky to me, but what does that actually mean and how does it make the racing fairer or more enjoyable? Do they take your single best lap of the event or the best lap per race? What handicapping is applied? Does it favour boats with a sweet spot rather than more balanced designs? Is there a clearer explanation somewhere?
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Whereas normal PY handicapping such as the RYA or the Great Lakes is a measure of time on time, we're taking a measure of time on distance.

This sounds like marketing nonsense to me - though I admit that I can't understand what they mean either!

But any handicapping system involves adjusting overall times of individual boats (or types of boat) by a factor (% or whatever) which makes a best guess allowance for their differences in average speed round the course (or time taken to compete - which is essentially the same thing.

It does look, though, as if there is an element of individual handicapping involved - they talk about using the fasted lap of each boat, not of each class of boat.

Does creating a handicap that way on a multilap race give boats a better chance of having it based on a relatively clear run, where they are not caught in traffic? Can't see any other reason for it.

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chuck all the entries in a hat and draw the winners from there. The "inner circle" can then spend days arguing the advantages of a bowler over the standard flat cap.
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If I understand that properly it sounds as if it's a personal handicap rewarding consistency. The winner will be the one whose average lap time is closest to their best lap time.
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So rewarding long, heavy, narrow boats that don’t accelerate in gustsor slow down in lulls?
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Originally posted by Peaky

So rewarding long, heavy, narrow boats that don’t accelerate in gustsor slow down in lulls?

And your point is?..... Tongue

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If true, a needlessly complicated way of not encouraging participation...

Edited by Peaky - 24 Nov 18 at 1:06pm
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Originally posted by Peaky

If true, a needlessly complicated way of not encouraging participation...


It’s the future of competitive dinghy sailing didn’t you know?
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Wish somebody had reminded me, I fancied doing it this year.. oh well
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Post Options Post Options   Quote sargesail Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Nov 18 at 8:35pm
Originally posted by turnturtle

Originally posted by Peaky

If true, a needlessly complicated way of not encouraging participation...


It’s the future of competitive dinghy sailing didn’t you know?


So the people selling it keep telling us!
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