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    Posted: 20 Mar 18 at 6:29pm
If you've not already seen this. An excellent paper (IMO) by Jonas Hogh-Christensen on his concerns about the path World Sailing seems to be taking Olympic sailing, and his observations on the areas that they are failing to consider.

Thought it deserved airing with the wider sailing community.

https://www.sailingillustrated.com/single-post/2018/03/19/Olympic-Classes-We-need-to-focus-on-the-sailors

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The Finn should have gone decades ago and in this day and age if you want just one reason to bin it, ask an average woman to try and haul one up the beach never mind try and sail the junk.

The Olympics ought to be a showcase which amongst other things, might just attract newcomers to the sport, it also should be accessible, not just to a few well heeled well fed 1st world ya's.

We had this discussion twenty years ago in windsurfing when the product we had was the Mistral One Design, a similarly inaccessible craft due to its length and suitability, at the time it was felt that at the very least we should have something that you could say offer a journalist a go on and it wouldn't be totally impossible for him or her to get off the dock before they inevitably fell in. So the short wide with centreboard concept got drawn up and unfortunately refused by the class, but something similar did at least evolve from Pryde who unfortunately massively over canvassed and overbuilt it to the point nobody out side of racing in their right mind would want to sail one which again highlights the problem, sailors and high level competitors or class members are the last people that should be asked about something as important as this.

Good sailors should be able to sail anything and make it look OK, the question should be, what would, by being presented to the world at large, be better to promote the sport to a wide and gender equal audience.

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So, woman's shot-put lighter than a man's, discus, too. Why shouldn't the equipment used be something with history, so we can look at champions through the decades? Athletics is very good at this, though I believe they are now thinking of reducing the 800 metres to 700 because modern darlings are finding the last 100 metres a little too hard. To me, the Finn represents the kind of boat loads of us sail week in, week out, but with added Olympian stature, which, frankly, I don't have. The Laser may be easier to spread to more nations, but once some muscle is put on, as Olympians should have, it is too small. Yes, have the whizzbang 6000 to appeal to the snowboard jumping in the air brigade, but leave something in for true grit and determination. If the women don't find the Radial offers the same level of ideals, then change that class to something more special, start a new legend, don't get rid of the one we have, just to even things up at the lowest common denominator.

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Finn for men, something similar for proper sized women athletes.
Something daft which falls over, one for men, one for women. 49er seems OK for this
Mixed classic doublehander, current 470 slot
Mixed cat, I guess foils are inevitable
Some sort of plank thing, but do something interesting with it, instead of pretending it is a boat, men and women.

8 medals, job done, should get a mix of body types, from gymnast to powerlifter.
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We need to focus on the sailors, we need to focus on creating legends and heroes, we need to have a better venue strategy, we need to commercialize our setup, we need to implement media solutions that deliver our sport in a nice and understandable way.

I think 'Star league' are quite close to this.
Men and women of all sizes could show their skill in "Stars" one boat one medal.
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Originally posted by Rupert

So, woman's shot-put lighter than a man's, discus, too. Why shouldn't the equipment used be something with history, so we can look at champions through the decades? Athletics is very good at this, though I believe they are now thinking of reducing the 800 metres to 700 because modern darlings are finding the last 100 metres a little too hard. To me, the Finn represents the kind of boat loads of us sail week in, week out, but with added Olympian stature, which, frankly, I don't have. The Laser may be easier to spread to more nations, but once some muscle is put on, as Olympians should have, it is too small. Yes, have the whizzbang 6000 to appeal to the snowboard jumping in the air brigade, but leave something in for true grit and determination. If the women don't find the Radial offers the same level of ideals, then change that class to something more special, start a new legend, don't get rid of the one we have, just to even things up at the lowest common denominator.

For me,
Finn for men, something similar for proper sized women athletes.
Something daft which falls over, one for men, one for women. 49er seems OK for this
Mixed classic doublehander, current 470 slot
Mixed cat, I guess foils are inevitable
Some sort of plank thing, but do something interesting with it, instead of pretending it is a boat, men and women.

8 medals, job done, should get a mix of body types, from gymnast to powerlifter.

+1 Nicely put Rupert Smile  That's what we've been saying for some time!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote maxibuddah Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Mar 18 at 7:51am
I guess it depends on what you want from the Olympics. Is it providing the pinnacle competition for athletes or a TV show for those who can't be bothered to get off their backsides? If it's the latter then sailing ain't the right sport, it takes too long for starters, they'll lose interest. The only people who will watch it will end up being sailors who'll berate it as rubbish. So why bother chasing the TV gold.
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If it isn't the pinnacle, then someone needs to introduce a new, slimmed own games to provide athletes with that.

Sadly, all the sleb programmes have shown people don't need or apparently want talent in their viewing. I hope the Olympics bucks that trend, and it is the true, supreme talent for which it is watched, so losing that talent and replacing it with spectacular stunts would be counter productive. I'm not holding my breath.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote rich96 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Mar 18 at 8:39am
Originally posted by iGRF

The Finn should have gone decades ago and in this day and age if you want just one reason to bin it, ask an average woman to try and haul one up the beach never mind try and sail the junk.

The Olympics ought to be a showcase which amongst other things, might just attract newcomers to the sport, it also should be accessible, not just to a few well heeled well fed 1st world ya's.



If you attempt to do an Olympic campaign in any class the costs of the actual kit rapidly become minor compared to travel, coaching, accommodation, etc etc etc

The Finn hulls and masts last very well - unlike some of the newer classes.

The boat is fantastic and addictive - hence why 400 - 500 over 40 year old sailors from around the world will be competing in Spain this year.

Sadly sailing will only ever really appeal, as a TV viewer, to sailors.

We have already lost the Star and it would be terrible if the Finn went to. For a sailor what is better to watch - the close tactical Star and Finn races or watching 49ers and Nacras ?

When you watch the Star Sailors League it shows what the Olympics has lost.

For the non-sailor how many of them might think 'I'm going to try sailing' when they watch skiffs etc - most would assume it unobtainable.

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Originally posted by rich96


For the non-sailor how many of them might think 'I'm going to try sailing' when they watch skiffs etc - most would assume it unobtainable.

Indeed. How many people watch Formula One racing and think "I want to give that a try!"
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Originally posted by Eisvogel

Originally posted by rich96


For the non-sailor how many of them might think 'I'm going to try sailing' when they watch skiffs etc - most would assume it unobtainable.

Indeed. How many people watch Formula One racing and think "I want to give that a try!"
After about 100 years of advertising from the motor industry telling everybody how easy it is to drive a car, just about everybody who does drive a car thinks they could drive a race car if they tried:  it doesn't look that difficult, or at least not that much different from driving their own car.  Take a look at the boy racers on any motorway.

Likewise, golf:  just about everybody who can walk thinks they could play golf if they wanted to.

Sailing, there is an apparent technology barrier, exacerbated by all the nautical cant (Yo Ho Ho language).

Also consider the 'viewership'/participation ratios:

Motor Racing: Viewership Quite High, Actual Participation Very Low

Golf:  Viewership Quite High, Actual Particpation:  Quite High

Sailing:  Viewership:  Quite Low, Actual Particpation Quite Low.  Arguably, Viewership lower than participation:  we'd rather be sailing than watching TV.
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