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    Posted: 21 Oct 05 at 11:18am

I've just taken delivery of an RS400 (second hand) and I'm having trouble rigging my spinnaker in acordance to the instuctions. These are as follows

Thread the halyard as follows:

· Through the forward block on the floor to starboard of the mast step.

· Through the cleat and block on the forward starboard side of the

centreboard case.

· Through a block tied on to the aft, starboard toe strap bar.

· Through a block tied to the aft, port toe strap bar.

Its all good upto the last two points where I don't have the blocks in the aft of the boat to thread through. Now, i can simply get some more and re-fit, but why are these not there? Is this a standard modification to RS400's? if so, why?

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The reason they are not there, is , i am assuming the same for the 200 which i sail. You can remove the aft blocks because many helm and crews never have the helm hoisting the kite and thus never feed the halyard back that far. This allows the halyard to be shortened and for the cockpit floor around the helm to be freed up. If i am wrong someone please correct me.
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Interested to hear that many 200 crews hoist the kite. I think if you generally sail in a crowd, the last thing you want at the windward mark is the helm with his head down pulling on the halyard. Better to have his head out of the boat defending clear air, even if it means the kite goes up a second or two later.
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Thats what I thought, but wanted to be sure. The surprising thing is that the halyard was not at all shortened leaving a load of spare in the cockpit. Still, its all the joys of a new toy!
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You've basically got two choices here Wes.

1. get two small blocks, attach one to each aft toe strap bar, then thread your halyard (under the thwart!) back through both these blocks, then forward again and onto the kite retreival patch.

2. cut 5 foot (ish) off your halyard, and once it's gone through the block on the fwd stbd side of the centreboard case attach it straight to the kite.

The advantage of number 1 is that it does produce a slightly smoother system (difficult to explain why but it makes hoists a bit easier).

The big disadvantage to number 1 is that the helm will stand on it (they say they wont but they do!). When you start sailing the 4 you will frequently see boats planing into the leeward mark with the helm yelling at the crew to get the kite down while he has his size 12 boot firmly on the halyard :-)

I would go for option 2.

BTW the helm never hoists the kite, even if the halyard is lead aft.

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Originally posted by crew_monkey

BTW the helm never hoists the kite, even if the halyard is lead aft.

Really? In other similar classes many do. Whether they should is another question.

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Yep, they do (and I used to, from the back of a fireball) but I agree with you, at the windward mark the helm needs to have his head OUT of the boat.

in my experience, approaching w/w mark, helm & crew agree gybe set vs bear away. Once you've gone round the mark the helm really needs to be looking for boats / gusts / shifts etc and the crews job is to get the kite up and pulling quick sharp.. the last place you want the helm looking is down at a halyard when there are lots of places to be made / lost!

In the 400 it's set up for the crew to hoist but the helm still usually does the pole twinner.

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Another option which works well (esp. with a girlie crew and a big helm) is to have the pole launch line led back to the helm. The helm can then launch the pole as the crew pulls the halyard up. You can set this up with a 1:2 reverse purchase so that one big (hard) pull launches the pole completely.
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yep, can see that working well, especially as you can get the pole launched safely before the bear away, unless it's really howling or you're on another boats transom.

But generally on approach helm is easing kicker / playing with rig tension / trying not to hit anyone (maybe even looking upwind at the breeze if you're lucky)... so I would tend to leave this responsibility with the crew unless they are particularly feeble!

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Calum_Reid Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Oct 05 at 10:40pm
Defenetly shorten the halyard it removes friction, is soo much easier for the crew and is tidier! Dont go from the hoisting block straight to the kite though go through the block on the port toe strap fitting as this is much easier to do the first part of the drop.

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