Dinghy Identification - Help

How did the Jolly Boat do in '52? or where can I get to that information?

(My parents had one and I have fond memories of it)

Originally posted by Ch505 Chris 249 Pls show me the BS by the 505 Spin machine and I'll sort it out.  I wasn't there - or even born for about 20 yrs afterwards. The FD is a great boat.  The 505 is a great boat.  The Osprey is a great boat.  All 3 designs have lasted longer than any of the current crop will.[/ P] ....and back to the subject.  The foredeck does look like an Osprey to me. Chas

Quick work, Huw!

Now we pedants can rest in peace. BTW, the Osprey DID play a part in the
re-emergence of the trap, it just wasn;t invented for the class.

Ch, totally agree about the excellence of these true classics. Wonderful
boats all.

However, there have been quite a few claims (not all by active 5-0that the
5-0 proto was utterly dominant in speed at the '53 trials. I must admit
that the stuff on the web these days seems to be more circumspect.

Coronet was a brilliant boat, the 505 is still listed by many skiff/etc
designers as one of the world's best boats, but Westell himself said that
Coronet's speed alone was not enough to justify a second International
class. Despite that, the IYRU went ahead and made the 505 a second
International class, yet they often just cop the blame for making the FD
Olympic (which was initially the choice of the host city, Rome, anyway).

Re the Jollyboat; it raced only in the second trials and finished =7th, it
seems, with the Hornet. The Jollyboat was sailed two up with trap but
seemed to suffer in that mode upwind in a blow and did best on fast
reaches. The Hornet (like the Osprey comparatively cheap and simple)
didn't do as well in the second trials because by then, just about all the
other boats had followed the inspiration of the Hornet and Osprey and
also adopted traps or planks.

Back on topic; the mystery boat is unlikely to be a Peregrine as that had a
lifting keel with a 270lg bulb on an 80lb steel plate fin. It was also 18'6"
overall and had "capacious watertight lockers fore and aft, and buuoyancy
tanks built under the sidedecks. The thwarts, traveller, outboard bracket,
hatch, etc is all wrong.

There's details of the beam on CVRDA; like the length, it tallies with the
beam of a Caneton as do the other details of the boat apart from the
British heritage.

Puzzling.




Edited by Chris 249

Yes, my info (Yachting World May '52) says that Osprey was "originally
designed as tangible expression of a clear mental picture of the kind of boat
Ian Proctor hoped would be chosen, but the shape proved so intriguing to
various helmsmen who saw the lines, that a syndicate was quickly formed to
builder her and send her to Holland." So it looks like the full-scale boat
came from that conception rather than a baby Osprey.

One thing I only noticed recently was that the boat drew comment because
she relied on hiking power more than form stability.....no wonder she
benefited so much from the trap when it was fitted in those final races of the
1st round at Peter Scott's recommendation.