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    Posted: 21 May 07 at 9:53pm

Im probably not looking hard enough but i dont seem to be able to find any information on the RS200. Some people seem to have problems with keeping it flat. There was one at the club which capsized during a race and it was about force 4ish and the lady helming is very experienced. Is this because people aren't depowering it enough or are they too light, id say her and her crew would be about 110kgs. Im looking to buy one and me and my crew are about 120kgish. Would that be enough weight it the force 4 - 5s? They certainly dont seem slow as they usually beat the fast boats even in the handicap!

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There's no excuse for capsising.  If you are light you have only to ease the mainsail at lower wind speeds!  Its inexperience.  The RS200 is a racy little boat not very stable - hence fast for its size but more demanding than some.  More demanding means more responsive and more rewarding.  You make your choice - faster and more difficult to sail or slower and more forgiving of bad handling.  The only exception to this general rule is if your weight range is greatly different from the optimum for the class.  I'm not an expert on the 200 but I would have thought an all up weight of between 130kg and 170kg would be OK.  Others will say you have to have an all up wieght of a much narrower range but they are talking about being competative at national level.

If you want a less racy boat of similar type buy a Laser 2000.

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If you get in touch with the Owners Club.

http://www.rs-association.com/index.asp?fleet=RS200 

or join the mailing list/forum (linked on the same page) and I'm sure they'll answer all of your questions.  They're a very sociable crowd.

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Originally posted by redback

130kg and 170kg would be OK.  Others will say you have to have an all up wieght of a much narrower range but they are talking about being competative at national level.



114kg-145kg is more like the weight range for the RS200.  Anymore than 23 stone in the boat and you'll be going nowhere in the lighter stuff and the lightweights will still beat you in the big breeze. 

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Oh - that's good it matches their weight and good advice about the owners club.  I guess they should also look at the RS site too. http://www.rssailing.com/fleets.asp?fleet=RS200
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When I first got the RS200, me and brother capsized a lot.  For two reasons, inexperianced and we were also chronicly underweight for the boat [I think the all up weight was 95/100kgs].  Basically we were bored stiff with the mirror and at this point there was no fevas etc that would have filled the gap.  We knew it was going to a very steep learning curve and it was.  But I learn more in the first year of sailing it than I did in all my mirror years.  When we sold the boat, we barely capsized, even in the strong stuff - at this point we a had an all up weight of about 115kg.
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Would anyone say the PY is right, the one at the club is always near the front of the fleet racing against laser 4000s etc. They seem a lot faster than the 420s and ents etc but is that just my imagination or are they really that much faster? Also beats the vago on a regular basis. It also looks like it flies downwind in F4ish. How easily are they de-powered? And does it make a lot of difference?

Are there any alternatives of a similar speed which have a lowish crew weight?

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Post Options Post Options   Quote SetSail Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 May 07 at 7:49pm
if i could go off topic slightly, how does the 200 compare to the 400? i would guess heavier crew were needed, but does it feel as nippy? 
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The 400 is less "frisky" than the 200. It is probably an easier boat to sail, but the sails are bigger and therefore the sheet loads are heavier.

Weight in a 400 is somewhere between 21 and 30 stone - the top guys are 23 to 24 stone, but the boat carries weight very well, so the range of weight is better than in a 200 - and being a keel stepped mast with a ram it is more controllable than than the 200's deck stepped mast.

The 400 being less frisky gives you about a second longer to control it in a gust with the kite up - but only a second! If you delay the bear away when the gust hits then both can send you swimming.

Inland in very light (<7 mph) the 400 is much better than a 200, and in > 25mph the 400 allows a slightly longer response time. In between (most sailing conditions?) there is little to choose between them for nippyness - both tack quick, accelerate quick and have the fun of the asymetric. Less than 21 stone: go for the 200. More than 24 stone: go for the 400. In between: that would depend what else is sailed at your club.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote SetSail Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 May 07 at 12:13am
thanks for that, very clear. i think im right in saying the 400 mainsail size isn't that far away from the 800, or so it appears.


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