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    Posted: 03 May 07 at 3:20pm

A few thoughts from a racing member at Burghfield: I expect MANY other clubs are in a similar position.

 - We have a sailing committee meeting every month. The dates are on the club calendar (first Thursday of the month). We welcome input to that meeting from any person in the club: either via e-mail to your fleet representative, or come along and put your views forward.

 - As a very active and thriving club we do hold many Open Meetings during the year (everyone who races regularly would like their fleet to hold an Open). These are balanced out in many ways: On Saturdays; On Sundays, with the races alternate with club races; On Sundays, as an extra start within the club races; On Sundays, when there is no club racing (although this last one is limited to just 3 Sundays out of the 52 available: Optimists, 400/200, Lasers). "Restricted" casual sailing happens on about 3 Saturdays out of the 52 during the year.

 - We occasionally hold National or Inland Championships for a fleet (typically 1 or 2 a year). These may involve limiting casual sailing on that day if there are lots of boats expected (e.g. Optimist National Team racing, when 150 or so races are held over the weekend).

 - The Sailing Committee tries to balance out the different needs of all people - from learning to sail through potterers and social sailing, to learning to race through racing to open meetings. We vary from over 70 boats out for a friendly race on a Wednesday evening; to 2 or 3 past National Champions battling it out in an Open Meeting while avoiding the RS400's with kites up in the club races.

 - If your club doesn't provide what you want, you have 2 options: Leave and find a club that does. Get into the committees and organisations and change things!

 - We have a sailing school attached to the club which organises formal training courses, as well as 6 or 7 affiliated schools that come along and use the water at different times. It can get very busy! But: A few years ago we were all complaining about how few people sailed, and how to get more members into the clubs!

 

Do we get it right fior all people? No of course not! Do we get it right for most people in the club? Hopefully: Certainly the racing turnouts on a Wednesday and Sunday are up, and the casual sailing on a Saturday leaves the lake almost as busy.



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Originally posted by Xpletive

I chose to be anonymous so as not to identify the club concerned. ... My head's now disappearing below the parapet again.

But that's missing the point. You clearly have an issue with some of the decisions which are being taken at your club but if you remain anonymous and don't take these concerns to them, nothing will change.

It sounds as if it is not the number of open meetings that is an issue; it is the affect which that has on the available space left for club racing and recreational sailing. We run open meeting races on the same days as club racing but between club races so as to not reduce the space for either. Timing is critical but we have had some success with this. It could be that this is the situation which you are complaining about or it could be that your club could be persuaded to try this approach. The problem is that no one reading this can respond to your criticism in a positive way because they do not have enough information.

By all means keep it anonymous and not club specific on this forum but I do urge you to contact your sailing committee and air your grievances, you might just find they are reasonable people after all.

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I chose to be anonymous so as not to identify the club concerned. I hoped to guage whether others had similar situations. So far, if I'm reading the responses correctly, there appear to be 3, possibly 4, other clubs, who may. My head's now dissappearing below the parapet again.
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Originally posted by ianb

My experience of sailing clubs (especially small inland clubs) is that they are not run by “organisational maniacs”, they are run by well meaning individuals who are passionate about sailing and their own local club in particular. They will be doing the best that they can, usually with limited resources and even less support.

Well said. Some people find it hard to grasp the difference between being a member of a club and a customer of a company. 

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If your pond club became dominated by a number of organisational maniacs that feel the need to fill the calendar with as many events as possible and became oblivious to any contrary views - what would you do? 

 

My experience of sailing clubs (especially small inland clubs) is that they are not run by “organisational maniacs”, they are run by well meaning individuals who are passionate about sailing and their own local club in particular. They will be doing the best that they can, usually with limited resources and even less support. They may not always get every decision right and that is where they will need your feedback to guide them.

 

What should you do? Talk to your club.

 

What should you not do? Post anonymous rants a public forum undermining the huge amount of time and effort which is given freely by all such sailing committees throughout the country.

 

If you take the advice above and your mail or call happens to come through to me or another member of our Sailing Committee, I will gladly invite you to our next meeting to express your views and maybe discuss some of the rationale behind hosting open meetings etc.



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Post Options Post Options   Quote English Dave Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Apr 07 at 11:50pm
At my club. I head the sailing committee and I sit on the executive committee. I can't honestly say I'm the best person for the job or that I particularly wanted it. But I do have a passion for sailing - my sailing and everyone else's and noone else volunteered. Mug? Maybe but at least the job gets done. Xpletive, it is very easy to sit on the sidelines snipe at those who are doing their best and claim that you are just "not suited to organisational work". The only way you will change your club is from within. Every year your club officers stand for election and a majority at the AGM vote them in. Their plans might not suit you and you may think that the quorum at the AGM does not represent the body of the club. That's democracy for you. Those voters at the AGM have sufficient interest to get involved. It seems you are merly interested in yourself!
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I hate to be a grumby old fart.........BUT, there is a club on the south coast
with huge fees and a small car park which seems to me to have an open
event every other weekend. I have managed to get in the car park once since
Easter. And dont mention Easter, I had to park in Portmouth ! You can free
sail any time, if you dont mind a long walk from the overflow car park a mile
away. I wonder who is visiting this weekend?
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Strangely enough this sounds quite like my club: Burghfield Sailing Club.

I'm on the sailing committee representing 'recreational sailors'  (those who are not much interested in racing) so I have an interest here.

We welcome people telling us what they want to see happening. We're also happy to get views from members by email (there's links to all of the committee members emails, including mine) on the website and we have club forums for people to express views and comments.

The newly organised Saturday afternoon social sailing (called the Admiral's Club, motto: fun sailing for all) has been set up specifically because many non-racng sailors wanted a bit more structure to help improve their sailing and get to know more people at the club, and have organised rescue cover in place.

There are a few Saturdays in the year when we have 'restricted casual sailing' because of open meetings, but there is still normally plenty of water to sail on (the foreshore does get crowded). We haven't increased the number of these days in the last two years that I've been involved.

Sundays are often busy - its the sign of a thriving club that we get many club boats out racing on sundays, but there's areas of lake to sail on away from the racers and they finish fairly early.

If it is BSC that Xpletive is conerned about, I can only ask that he contacts me or one of the committee members via the website lnks,

Cheers,

Jay

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