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The only real fact that I noticed from the trial was that the faster sailors made the boats go fastest. The girls who had a previous knowledge of skiffs made their boat (be it the GT, Daemon, RS800, 29erxx, 14) go faster than the girls with the strict 470 background in whichever boat they were in, but is that really at all suprising?!

In the first 'race' the Danish girls in the Daemon got to the windward mark first and then pulled away downwind up to the point which they capsized about 20 yards from the line (to be overtaken by just about everyone else). Then in the third race the same girls were sailing a 14 and then they once again got to the windward mark first and pulled away... See a trend developing here?!

In the conditions the speeds of the boats were really quite similar and the skill level of the sailors made much more of a difference.
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Originally posted by k_kirk

Originally posted by Doug.H

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It is an innovative, fast and extremely efficient boat
 
Whether the characteristics that make it that are equally appropriate for an elite boat for racing at the very top end of the sport is perhaps another matter.


so........Laser?? 

Following on Doug's thought... I am struggling with this notion of separating the club racers, youth boats etc from boats that are fit for the most elite in sailing, the top sailors who are there and wish to compete in the Olympics...

Look at some other sports competing in Olympics... Athletics, Badminton, Basketball, Boxing, Football, Gymnastics, Handball, Judo, Tennis, Volleyball, Weightlifting, Wrestling etc. the list goes on...

The point is, the venue & equipment used at the Olympic level for all these sports match exactly what is available and used to train from the most basic level of the sport all the way to the top.

But sailing is an equipment sport ... you don't see Chris Boardman cycling around on a Raleigh Jungle ...

The pro sailors have to sail their boats day in day out .... lets at least give them a boat that is fun to sail ...

 
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Also on the Laser subject there are arguably many different criteria to fill . The Laser is a great boat for increased nation participation as it is cheap and accessible. In a womens skiff nation participation is a secondary interest whereas media appeal (eg v high performance and newest technology) is the aim so the criteria by which the boat must be judged is inherently different.
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Remembering back to 1996 on Lake Garda (the evaluation regatta that ended up selecting the 49er for Sydney), I recall everyone initially wrrying that the 49er was a step too far...etc,etc, etc.

In hindsight, of course, the top sailors learned to sail the boat and any other choice (Boss/FD with Asymetric.....hmmm/Jet/505) would now look to have been too conservative for these sailors.

Taking this line, I wonder if we should give the top girlie sailors credit that they will be able to train/learn to master the Int 14, rather than opt for a slower boat that will outdate faster?
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Of course, whoever's class is chosen runs the risk of it becoming viewed as a 'girlie class' (never mind if the Olympic girls could sail all over the people calling it that).

I recall when we sailed a 420, which suited our weight perfectly, I couldn't, as an 'old bloke', quite take it seriously because it was a youth class (never mind if the youths could sail all over me).

But we certainly want a women's boat, so someone's class has to be chosen.

That said, I'd prefer a mixed class, man+woman, either to helm. Better socials and good potential effect on sailing in general. I wonder what impact it might have on tennis if there were no mixed doubles?
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Originally posted by Chas 505

I wonder if we should give the top girlie sailors credit that they will be able to train/learn to master the Int 14,


The question would not be talent but weight range. If the ideal weight range for the boat biases it too much towards former East German Shot Putters the boat won't be a good choice. It needs to fit the world average weight range of female sailors too, and the Westerners tend to be a bit more substantial than the orientals. I understand its one reason why the 29erXX has the relatively small rags which disadvantaged it during this light weather trial.

Its certainly one feature of the Cherub derivatives - its just not possible to design a decent Cherub which will carry as much weight as a longer and heavier boat. The 29er hull in many respects is similar to a modern Cherub with a longer thinner bow, and the weight carrying is in the same sort of ballpark.
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Originally posted by timnoyce

In the conditions the speeds of the boats were really
quite similar and the skill level of the sailors made much more of a
difference.


Interesting.....I will be lobbying my clubs handicap committee !!
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Originally posted by m_liddell

I'm loving the different versions of what came out of the trials from the different classes

At last the definitive unbiased report!

http://www.29er.org/news/2007/4/grils-want-go-fast-too.html

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Originally posted by timnoyce

In the conditions the speeds of the boats were really
quite similar and the skill level of the sailors made much more of a
difference.


Interesting.....I will be lobbying my clubs handicap committee !!
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Originally posted by bob jones

Originally posted by timnoyce

In the conditions the speeds of the boats were really quite similar and the skill level of the sailors made much more of a difference.
Interesting.....I will be lobbying my clubs handicap committee !!

People get far too worked up about PY numbers. The odd 10 or 15 points make very little difference. In the average Champs fleet the difference between first and last is about 20% on the clock - say 200 points of PY.

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