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I have never seen a QT audience so agitated ...
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Originally posted by craiggo

It was interesting how the Newspaper editor got an ovation after the opening round but by the end he was being heckled more than the politicians!

To be honest I thought Theresa May and Ming the merciless came across quite well and made some worhty comments and suggestions on improvements to the system, but Margeret Beckett!!!! I would ask "what was she thinking" but the answer is clearly "not a lot!".

Theresa May did NOT come accross well.  She makes me squirm, and she made her position even worse with her comments. 

I  was surprised with the venom that went Ming's way, he was considered one of the gradee's of the house.

 

Originally posted by Guest#260

I have never seen a QT audience so agitated ...

 

Indeed; it was also commented upon in "the week" afterwards.

 

I'm also a little concerned that this may assist the BNP in gaining ground in the polls.

 

I wonder if this will be dragged out until thge general election next year, or will public opinion be such that Gordon the Moron will have to call one early - I cannot see him doing it as (I suppose) it cannot get much worse for him.

 

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Originally posted by G.R.F.

I've avoided this thread so far simply because I am so very angry.

I was going to justify my boat with it's ability to "swing the poll" and set it
down as a legitimate expense, indeed in real life I struggle to put it
through the business and we're in that sort of trade.

The fact is where I am currently, which is a business struggling for
survival with a staff that have had to take a pay cut, having to have made
almost a 40% cut in staff, whilst still collecting the VAT, Tax & N.I. that
supports these vermin, frankly I am incandescent with rage.

They and the Bankers they have emulated seem to have absolutely no
moral compass whatsoever it is absolutely outrageous what is going on in
the private sector. The very private sector that generates the wealth and
income to support the public sector excesses of which this is just another
sordid example.

I'm minded to write to the Queen and suggest Parliament is dissolved, a
caretaker coalition government formed from the few 'straight' Politicians
if they can be found from all Parties who have not been 'working' the
system.

This is such a tragedy, Britain was supposed to be the mother of
democracy, but here we all are virtually helpless to intervene an entire
nation deprived of trust in its elected representatives.

It really is a very serious problem.

 

Oh no ... I am aligned with grumps ...

I can't see GB calling an election at present ... he'd take a pasting.

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There is a very real possibility that Labour will not have control of one single council after the local elections (they only have 4 at present).  That surely would increase pressure for a General Election.

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Originally posted by Guest#260

Originally posted by Jamie

The nature of an MP's job is that they essentially have 2 full time jobs one in their constituency and one in westminster.

2 full time jobs ... 2 part time jobs at best.

How many days does your avarege MP spend in Westminster?

They even had a name of it SISO ...Sign In Sod Off ...

Anyway, the level and type of claims are well beyond subsistance ...

They were allowed to claim up to £250 unsupported by recipts ... would any of your employers do that, would the HMRC accept that on my books of course not.

2 full time jobs (sic).... and many of them still have the time to get their fingers in other pies... directors of this and that company, advisors etc. etc. But of course they always declare their other interests....

I think that the SISO is used for the Euro MP's, not that they are any better.

The whole idea from GB to have yet another body/committee to look into this will only mean more expense for the taxpayer, and no doubt cover ups. The best (and cheapest) auditers by far are the general public. Only by absolute transparency, publishing all expenses, will these obscene excesses be curbed.

And when was a food bill a legitimate expense, surely they have got to eat wherever they are? Give them £1,500 p.a. 'London weighting', taxable like everyone else!

Bull*%£$!

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I think the most classic line from last night was that old chestnut "but the public don't understand...".

I think what they don't seem to realise is that we understand all too well.

And don't forget that this is actually just the tip of the iceberg. What about all the "under the table" dealings with all their mates in the big consultancy firms that have been charging £1,000+ per day to simply tell us what we already knew.

There is un unprecidented amount of public money been spent either unnecessarily or certainly not on a "stricly arms-length" basis. It would be interesting as a next project for the Telegraph to look into insider dealing (i.e. where an minister just happens to be either on the boad of, an advisor to, or a friend of the Chairman, of the the company that got the job). I think the scale of this would surprise a few people.

Just think about the NHS computer sysem debarcle. After billions of pounds spent it still didn't work. The Minister in charge claimed that she "didn't understand about Project Management", but it then turns ou that before she was an MP, she worked at said firm at senior management level !

When it comes to sacking or supending them, that's where we (the public) come in. If they're not sacked, then the public in that constituancy will not vote for them anyway, and so not only will they lose their job, but the party loses a seat also (which will serve the party right for not sacking them and replacing them with somone honest). So if people vote with their consience at the next GE, then the scum will be gone anyway. Just a shame we have to wait so long.

Rant over, sorry.

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Originally posted by Skiffybob

And don't forget that this is actually just the tip of the iceberg. What about all the "under the table" dealings with all their mates in the big consultancy firms that have been charging £1,000+ per day to simply tell us what we already knew.

 

 

THis is a different problem.  Some consultany moves (i.e. bring them into a business) is simply a way to get leverage.  Company decides they need some additional assistance on a short term basis so they pay for it (1,000 per day is not much for consultancy!!!!).  Yes sometimes they are telling companies what they already know, but this helps spinless management teams then get on with the job. 

I've been in situations when I/my team have been called in to do some work, and it's obvious thay the company already knows what the problem is and how to fix it; but IF an outside organisation / Firm says it, they can then implement "un-popular" plans by saying "it was the consultancy firm's idea". 

As for GOrdo calling an election, it's not going to happen unless someting very surprising happens.  Who has to call the election?  Gordon, is he in deep poo?  Yes.  Thus he will wait untill the last possible moment.

Maybe if some labour MP's decided to call for an election it might not happen, as if there was enough, the oppo can call for a vote of "no confidence" in the govt, this is then voted on, if the govt loose then there is an election.  Will Labour MP's vote themselves out of a job? 

 

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I wonder if this a turning point in UK politics?

Will we look back on this episode in 10 years time and say that was when our politics finally got cleaned up?

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Originally posted by Guest#260

I wonder if this a turning point in UK politics?

Will we look back on this episode in 10 years time and say that was when our politics finally got cleaned up?

Maybe, I'm looking forward tyo the next elections, I wonder how each MP will be playing it?

 

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Oh well ... perhaps I need to buy a small holding and put up a big fence around it then ...
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