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    Posted: 25 Mar 07 at 5:44pm

 Anyone out there use a hiking bench? (or a camel saddle stool and a heavy sofa) thought maybe a good way to mantain leg strength during the winter months. Use the bench nightly for the duration of the weather forecast, if it's that weather girl Caddy it shouldn't be too difficult. 

 I used to play a lot of squash, traditionaly thought to be bad for leg joints. When I stopped for a couple of years my knees played up. When I resumed my knees got better and are still OK. Exercise gives good muscle support I guess unless the joints are completely wrecked.  My knowledge on anatomy is limited but I would have thought dragging the boat up and down the beach does more harm than straight legging. 

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I play squash 10 years ago, I played my son thursday first time ever, no pain at all, knees great, not so old then I thought . Next day had to get help getting out of bed! Knees ok, just legs. Went up Snowdon last week no probs.



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Any exercise done badly can damage your body.  What a lot of sailors still don't get is that it's not enough to just go sailing.  Even the top guys, who sail nearly every day, still hit the gym.  If you want to protect your knees you have to exercise the whole leg with something like a leg press, otherwise you risk uneven development which in turn leads the under exercised part to fail when subjected to extremes of exertion and usually when you least need it to.

Also crucial to hiking ability and endurance is core stability exercise.
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I used to play a lot of Squash, race a windsurfer and then a Laser.  After hard racing the Laser on a Sunday my knees hurt a lot on Monday morning.  In fact flexing them made a sound like a ratchet.

I switched to a 400 (just as bad), then a 800 but couldn't manage that in a 6 so I now have a 4000.  Fantastic - knees not too bad now and a lot of fun sailing it.  I'd never go back to racing a Laser.  As I get older I can see that I'll have to go to a twin trapeze - I suggest all those with bad knees do the same.

I loved racing the Laser in a competative fleet.  After a long beat in strong winds my heart rate used to be something astronomical.  So much so that I used to ease off for a few lengths, take a couple of really deep breaths and consider what I was going to do on the next leg.  I was often surprised to find myself going past my peers as they staggered round the windward mark so exhausted they couldn't make a decent decision.

 

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 Can someone with good medical knowledge explain how straight leg hiking  damages  knees??  

 



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Originally posted by olly_love

49er has all that and it is one hell of a buzz going over a start line doing 15 knots


I'd love to you to get me a 49er that is as cheap to race competitively as a Laser; as easy to train on as a Laser; and that has fleets the same size as a Laser.

Speed's fine, but I already have a bunch of singlehanders that can go quicker than a 49er, and while the Laser's slow it's often more fun to race. That's why my local Laser fleets include had guys who have won or placed in worlds in FDs, Cherubs, 18 Foot Skiffs, etc.
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i have had cartelidge removed from my left knee, this was due to a combination of sailing and basketball, it caused a bicuspid tear and was making my knee lock in to place.  best thing to do is make sure that what ever exercise you do, you do it properly!  im only 25 by the way!



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Originally posted by GK.LaserII

 Can someone with good medical knowledge explain how straight leg hiking  damages  knees??  

 

Steve Cockerill has written an article on straight leg vs bent knee hiking (from first hand experience and with a physio).

Basically Straight leg hiking is best as it puts the least amount of pressure on the knee joint. The flip side is that you need good muscles to keep the legs straight whilst hiking. Hiking shorts help as they reduce the amount of fatigue in the upper legs as will wearing knee supports whilst sailing (I do this as they double up as knee pads).

The other thing you must do is spend time sorting out your toestraps. Too short and you have to bend your knees to use them. Too long and you might not have faith in them.

Just my 2p as always but wih a bit of factual background...

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but lets face it very few people are strong enough to straight leg hike for anywhere near long enough for it to make a difference to your knees up a decent length beat.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Merlinboy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Mar 07 at 10:11pm

Originally posted by Chris 249

Originally posted by owain

after a 600 and a musto skiff, why would you want to go back to a laser? .


I can think of at least five reasons;

Huge fleets
Simple rigging
Easy to train on
Sometimes great fun to sail.
Cheap to race

 

Cheap to race ????  When i was racing lasers i used to have to buy new booms , mast sections sails all the time mainly because the stuff laser provide is just sh*te!  I agree with the rest of the points but not cheap to race.

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