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IanW ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 Mar 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 115 |
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Chris chill don't tar us all with the same brush I am British and
personally having read posts here and on SA I think that the Jury
probably got it about right. In fact they possibly should have gone a
bit further but in a class where protest are not a common ocurance they
probably decided that a rule 69 situation was best left well alone.
Dont worry though we will level it up at some cricket match in the summmer ![]() Edited by IanW |
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CJ.. ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 21 Jun 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 17 |
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Bruce, I don't think it's relevant that the head of the jury was an Aussie. Unless we have overwhelming evidence to the contrary, we have to put our trust in the integrity of jurys! Chris249, Calm down....let's not bring nationalities into this. I think what I'm struggling with is seeing facts like that on a protest form! Normally the facts relate to the incident on the water, but I guess this is a different situation since we're talking about fair sailing. I'm not sure if these facts (and they are facts, that can't be disputed) should have been taken into account. How often would they have normally had dinner together during the week? If they hadn't both been sponsored by RMW would they have "got away with it"? To me the situation of series points was far from straight forward! If they really wanted to screw the Aussies they would have done it pre-start. In fact it looks like the Aussie pair needed no help screwing up their start. Unless you were there and saw what happened it's difficult to comment, however the fact that Richardson/Barker had some grounds for their actions (they had a chance to beat the Aussies themselves) makes the jury's decision at least questionable! I wouldn't suggest that the jury cheated, but often jurys make errors! Anyway, what's done is done. It's a shame for something like this to hang over the event and question the validity of the results, but I guess that was always going to happen once the protests were lodged! Edited by CJ.. |
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Matt Jackson ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 21 Sep 04 Location: Darlington Online Status: Offline Posts: 962 |
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Can we keep phrases like 'the poms' and 'Frogs' (meaning the entire British and French nations) out of these fora? It hardly helps anyones arguments over impartiality to use such phrases. I'm proud to British but I'm not proud of everything my countrymen do! I have known the majority of a pub filled with Kiwis support Australia when they played England - I guess pricklyness is a relative thing where England is involved. Also having dinner together does not imply a conspiracy - just a relationship which is already known about because I expect they train together. The last Worlds I went to I shared acommodation with a fellow Sailing Club member but this wouldn't imply we were team racing. |
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Chris 249 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 May 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2041 |
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Yah, I should chill out. Apologies all round. Forums are where I get my assertiveness training.....
I could comment on some more of he above, but I've raved more than enough already! ![]() And yes, I DO hope you guys get the Ashes if our team keeps on behaving in an unsporting manner. ![]() Edited by Chris 249 |
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Dave S ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 16 Dec 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 6 |
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From where I was sitting (about a boat length away) the Aussies had a cracking start, in fact I half expected them to be OCS. I think we were the only boat in a position to stitch them up at that stage (which we didn't!) What happened on the first beat was that most of the fleet went left (which we all thought was the correct call) but going right paid in trumps. Most of the front-runners (including Lindsay, Flossie and at least one of the RMW boats) were totally down the pan at the first mark, whereas a reasonable proportion of the boats who were further up (including us) had got there by being forced to tack out and go right after messing up the start. The front runners showed us just how good they are by sailing back up through the fleet in conditions where everyone tends to go exactly the same speed and it's notoriously hard to get past other boats... Dave |
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CJ.. ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 21 Jun 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 17 |
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I sit corrected. My remark was more of a tongue-in-cheek dig..... :) |
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505 CW ![]() Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Feb 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 4 |
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Well done Ian....!
I guess that everyone who wasn't there probably is grasping at straws (I wasn't, and am as unclear as everyone else). The Jury seem to have taken a "ruffle as few feathers" approach, while giving what they deemed to be the right result (that's what I think that they are there to do). I am just delighted that an International regatta has come down to a decision taken during a last night "tactics session". My personal experience of these sessions (I seem to half-remember such a session during the 49er Worlds at Bandol in 1998) is that: A dinner occurred; at this dinner most of the Brits consumed extreme amounts of beverage; a certain Mr Barker - resident of GBR - seemed to sail better after aforementioned session...! |
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Brian ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 27 Sep 04 Location: Ireland Online Status: Offline Posts: 503 |
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there are t-shirts available in nz.
"i support the All Blacks, and anyone playing australia" but hey, come one the umm.... oceanians or something! conspiracies eh? imagine if it was italians now, Sweden 2-2 Denmark anyone? ![]() Edited by Brian |
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Bruce Starbuck ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 124 |
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No I don't. I think they probably did.
No I don't. Your mind-reading abilities are first-class by the way!
Yes I did.
No I don't!
I was questioning the inclusion of facts such as where someone had dinner the previous evening on a protest finding, that's all. It's highly unusual. The relevance of making the comparison with the Aussie jury chairman was mainly to try and wind up Chris249. Tee hee! P.S. Sorry about spelling "insinuate" wrongly. |
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Chris 249 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 May 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2041 |
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Well, it worked!
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