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    Posted: 01 Apr 09 at 9:40am
Originally posted by Rupert

Originally posted by Daniel Holman

Mx Ray certainly isn't laser speed upwind. Think topper and you'll be closer.

By all accounts the Stealth is only laser VMG in <8 and >15 kts DDW as well.

It really goes to show how good the Laser design actually was, that people are having trouble designing averagely easy boats to sail that will go faster, despite the Laser's mast and sail combo.

Its a basic horsepower problem. The laser is a deceptively long boat, and a decent semi displacement hull form that is good across the speed range that it does. (0-15kts, weighted very heavily towards 3.5kts, i.e laser upwind speed)

The rig is agricultural, but reprasents an agricutural take on what was then state of the art.

Everything had been well thought out, tweaked and simplified so that it offered decent performance on all points of sail in all winds.

There are no real breakthroughs in hull design for this (laser) speed range, any speed improvements come incrementally from weight reduction due to material improvements, or slight tweaking of the hull form, or modest increases in the efficiencies of the hull and rig packages.

The MX Ray is short, has a p*ss poor rig (noodle bendy), questionable ergonomics etc. Remember that for an assym to work well (conventionals too complex for s/h) the boat has to be proper quick, i.e Musto/700 at least to be effective at sailing angles for best DDW VMG. RS200 being a case in point of the onverse. The MX Ray is a quick little boat with the kite up on a broad reach, but pretty painful at most of the other stuff.

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Originally posted by Merlinboy

Apparently its an April fools TT

At least TT is man enough to take the joke and not edit his post ... very poor form ...

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LOL i know.  I am searching for some bollox on ebay now!
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Originally posted by Merlinboy

LOL i know.  I am searching for some bollox on ebay now!

So what was the post before you chopped it?

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TBH I'm with Steve Cockrill on this.  I have gained more enjoyment out of working an unstayed una rigged singelehander downwind in waves than I ever got from bashing about at high speed with as much rag as I can get on a boat. Slow boats upwind mean lots of tactical thinking and downwind...well watch Ben or Ed work a finn and you'll know what I mean...just amazing.

In short you can bang on about capped masts, spinnies, wing wangs, bigger boards, pressure areas to your hearts content.  What most people want is a fun, simple/low hassle boat which encourages fair racing be it OD or handicap.  This discussion focuses on the 5%, the big commercials watch the 95%.  The future of boats is refined versions of what we have now!

I might be sailing it, but it's still sh**e!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Smight at BBSC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Apr 09 at 5:59pm
Originally posted by tack'ho

TBH I'm with Steve Cockrill on this.  I have gained more enjoyment out of working an unstayed una rigged singelehander downwind in waves than I ever got from bashing about at high speed with as much rag as I can get on a boat. Slow boats upwind mean lots of tactical thinking and downwind...well watch Ben or Ed work a finn and you'll know what I mean...just amazing.

In short you can bang on about capped masts, spinnies, wing wangs, bigger boards, pressure areas to your hearts content.  What most people want is a fun, simple/low hassle boat which encourages fair racing be it OD or handicap.  This discussion focuses on the 5%, the big commercials watch the 95%.  The future of boats is refined versions of what we have now!



I have to say I do enjoy sailing lasers. We had a laser gp event at the sailing club and it was fooking windy which led to a lot of hiking and a lot of fun....but i also enjoy screaming about with too much sail area

so i'm happy what ever
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Originally posted by Merlinboy

LOL i know.  I am searching for some bollox on ebay now!

So what was the post before you chopped it?

 

I basically said i don't understand why they would change to a trapeze single handed asy boat, we already have two very good and successful versions in the market with the Musto Skiff and the 700.  The market is crying out for a single hander hiker with a kite.

 

Then was told i had been collard by an April fool.

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Amen, brother.

Its skilful, rewarding and dynamic. Most people's sailing highlight of the '96 games was real time downwind footage of a 3 way battle between ainslie, scheidt and blackburn in the lasers. 15kts breeze, nice chop.

A lot of people have a prejudice that its just sit in the middle of the boat and point at the leeward mark, and I think that these kinda people are those who want to be dragged downwind by a big kite. Each to their own but a large part of this type of boat's attraction is the technique and dynamism required in sailing them upwind or down. Pretty much an artform, very atheletic and great to watch when done well.

Speed apart, watching or sailing "high performance" boats seems a little bit mundane except when turning corners. Although I probably do it wrong.. 

Originally posted by tack'ho

TBH I'm with Steve Cockrill on this.  I have gained more enjoyment out of working an unstayed una rigged singelehander downwind in waves than I ever got from bashing about at high speed with as much rag as I can get on a boat. Slow boats upwind mean lots of tactical thinking and downwind...well watch Ben or Ed work a finn and you'll know what I mean...just amazing.

In short you can bang on about capped masts, spinnies, wing wangs, bigger boards, pressure areas to your hearts content.  What most people want is a fun, simple/low hassle boat which encourages fair racing be it OD or handicap.  This discussion focuses on the 5%, the big commercials watch the 95%.  The future of boats is refined versions of what we have now!

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Originally posted by I luv Wight


In the video with 2 x D-1 and a finn, going upwind, you see the finn
tacking, and miss both the D-1s tacking every time.Downwind, a long
blast with no gybes...


As I'm new here, I didn't take the time to see that the tin foil hatters are
boat builders too. You'd think I'd know better.

As for comments that the boat should be longer, remember that the
design brief includes "as easily car toppable as a laser".

As for comments about the joy of sailing downwind without a kite, note
that the brief was for a boat that would double digits downwind easily,
make better VMG than the non-kite singlehanders, and not require the
complicated, rolly and counterintuitive steering techniques that Laser
sailors have developed to make a slow boat go pretty quickly to the
leeward mark, or the pumping and ooching that Finn sailors have created
to do the same thing.

I got to Palma very skeptical - there have basically been zero
commercially successful singlehanders since the Laser, and I felt that the
D-One would have to be revolutionary to change that. Turns out that the
boat didn't have to be revolutionary - the builder just had to have a vision
and be committed to making it work, and I'm pretty optimistic that Luka
knows what he's doing. Between the D-One, the Stealth, the Halo, and
whatever other new non-trap skiffish singlehanders, this should be a fun
niche.

More reports on todays Sailing Anarchy front page, with a sh*tload of pics
in the D-One thread - most of hot women. If you're not signed in, you
can't see them. http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?
showtopic=86676
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