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    Posted: 31 Mar 09 at 1:36pm
Originally posted by Guest#260

I am sure you'd find someone to deliver to your
brief of you were prepared to issue a spec for your custom requirements
and put a fat deposit on the table but one-offs are very expensive
...


One offs would have no spare part back ups, no previous history.

Taken a known performer and improving it is always a better solution
than starting from scratch.

It's one of the reasons the total infatuation with "Classes" holds back
dinghy development and has spawned that mish mash of loads of
different weiredness.

The Class system should be two fold.

The strict OD and the Development bit running alongside. That way you
get a constantly improving product on the one hand and the class get the
stability of consistent support from a successful business going forward.

Eventually even your class will die, for all the excellent effort you guys
do, and it is a great class, but you will hit saturation and unless you have
something new coming along folk'll be off elsewhere.

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I am sure you'd find someone to deliver to your brief of you were prepared to issue a spec for your custom requirements and put a fat deposit on the table but one-offs are very expensive ...
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Mike the problem you have is your source.

I'm happy to wave the cheque book around, lucky I have disposable funds
even in times like these.

But I'm damned if I'm going to be taken for a complete fool by this
Industry any more.

You use the same source as my current craft.

I've been screwed around by them for the last time.

I waited an entire summer for the RS500 and it's a year since I ante'd up
the cash for the current boat and it's still not what I want.

In my game the customer is always right.

If he asks for a boat with a pole and a high jump, we ask how high.

No arguments 'we know best' then wander off.

If we take a customers deposit against a delivery date, we get penalty
clauses and the goods turned around if they aint delivered on time.

Right now, as you can probably tell by the rantish nature of this post I'm
p1ssed as hell with my experiences of 'the boat Industry' it doesn't
deserve ANY customers never mind my meagre offerings.

Sure I'll give you a cheque. But I'll want certain features, I WANT a bigger
centreboard yours is too small, I WANT the pole to swing like my Alto,
and I want it delivered in time for this summer, against a firm delivery
date, now there is no chance of that this season, so no point discussing it
further..

Sorry to rail at you, I recognize the problems, problem is I now know
them too well hence my reticence to part with deposit cash. I don't have
too many summers left of fitness and health, money can't buy them back
as we all know.

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GRF said .... Er  the Devoti thing recognises the need for a kite...

Don't understand your point there Greame ......   When we spoke you knew we had already run tests on several variants because we talked it through.  Photos have been around for months but they were not Cirrus ones and that is exactly the way it will stay - for now.  The offer of a 'free kite' made to you was not an idle comment made at the show either - I was serious on the basis that everyone would follow your exploits and even if you panned the concept the approach would get coverage.    Us small builders need to grab 'free' publiicty from whatever quarter !

Just add 'cheque book' for the rest if you really really want one, even a RED one - offer is still there.   Halo is maybe following a different path but the heavies have been very specific so far and a few cheque books have been waved around in that area already.  It is the only thing that justifies production.  But watch this space ! 

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Er the Devoti thing recognises the need for a kite...
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Norbert

HALO is to be a totally seperate class.  Just the one rig, single source sail, mast, foils hull.  It uses the Blaze hull, foils,wings etc because it works well and while it is a low risk option for us at Cirrus/Rondar obviously it is also very low risk early buyers.  We have the proven tooling, the hull is highly suited to a larger rig and carries weight very well.  In fact there are good arguments to say it is even more suited in this version.   There are older 'donor' hulls around that will boost numbers quickly, (the mast/sails are interchangeable) and the rest of the equipment could always revert to Blaze format.  This means low cost entry for many and low financial risk for new boat buyers if Halo does not make it as a widely supported class.  You have to be realistic about these things ....

Blaze and Halo may well share meeting organisation at first but they will not race against each other - no equalisation wanted or intended.  HALO has a 100kg MINIMUM helm weight rule or you carry the difference in weights and it carries a rather large main and will be a fair bit faster than the Blaze.  So no advantage to being relatively 'light' in any wind conditions and a positive disadvantage in most.  They wanted a minimum weight specific class not an equalised one .... and oh yes they wanted it all to be very attractively priced.  

We still expect cautious uptake at first.  That is natural and the target segment market are less likely to make impulse decisions particularly at this time- they will want to see/try first.  We will launch it formally fairly soon and then encourage the emerging Halo CA to guide its format and exact rules from that time onwards - however the fundamental weight rule will not change..

Mike L.  (aka Cirrus Raceboats)

PS - Sorry for Highjack ..... Try them all !

 

 

 

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I hope you're not talking about my video.  Edit?  You have clearly not seen my work before.  Editing is way too much like real work.  


More video from the Blue RiB... with one gybe!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLFRZg-48EU&feature=relat ed

Using what looks like the lady's size Hyde rig. As Clean says the hull form looks as stable as an aircraft carrier so i can't imagine there's going to be many issues tacking and gybing.

My fear is that having got all excited about a man's sized rig for the plus 15 stoners (+100kg'ers) this boat will inevitably go down the route of adopting the smaller rig to appeal to the light weight masses

Even the FrankenBlaze Halo recognises that there is a market for the bigger guy so I would gamble that at the end of the day there will still only be the Finn and Phantom for the more avoir de pois blessed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLioHi4kmso
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Post Options Post Options   Quote no limits Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Mar 09 at 9:51pm
The gybes in sten video looked tight. His head was nearly rubbing agaisnt the wing. Also did anyone notice the change in sail to a hyde sail half way through the video with kit sailing?
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There were gybes in Sten's video, though? Looked pretty reasonable to me.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote I luv Wight Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Mar 09 at 8:13pm
Originally posted by Clean

Originally posted by timeintheboat

Originally posted by I luv Wight

Why do they edit out the gybes and tacks? 


Odd that had occurred to me as well.


I hope you're not talking about my video.  Edit?  You have clearly not seen my work before.  Editing is way too much like real work.

dinghy.  The boat is ultra stable, as it should be with that hull shape.  I am 192 cm, and weigh about 102 kg, and with spray top and PF the boom was no worries.


In the video with 2 x D-1 and a finn, going upwind, you see the finn tacking, and miss both the D-1s tacking every time.
Downwind, a long blast with no gybes...



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